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    Quote Originally Posted by kara
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    1theft case by 3accomplices + 5theft cases by another burglar --->総検挙件数6, 総検挙人員4
    So, I think we could just say :
    総検挙件数 = number of cases
    総検挙人員 = number of people arrested


    By the way, why don't you compare the number of crimes(or crime rates) committed by foreigners in Japan with that of committed by Japanese outside Japan? Is it unfair or illogical to think it from this aspect?
    I think the point of this thread is not to see the percentage of crimes committed by Japanese in Japan (as in any country, natives have the highest %age), nor abroad - although it would be interesting to compare the proportion of crimes of people of one nationality (eg Japanese) as a percentage of the total residents in that country. For example, if there are 10.000 Japanese living in France and they commit 10 crimes, then their ratio would be 0,1% of the total number of Japanese residing in France.

    But anyway, I think that most Japanese living abroad are either business people (expats), students or diplomats, i.e. the people with the lowest crime rate in any country.

    The point of this thread is mainly to see what kind of crimes foreigners commit in Japan and where these foreigners are from.

    One of the problem of these statistics is Japanese language itself. Japanese does not differentiate "crime" and "offence". I am not 100% sure how these are divided in Western countries, but I think that :
    - Crimes includes murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, robbery, thefts (car, purse, wallets...), etc.
    - Offences are visa overstaying, use of drugs, illegal weapon possession, speeding, prostitution, etc.

    The main difference is that crimes are causing damage, loss or trauma to someone, while offences are just doing something illegal without hurting anyone.

    I don't think it fair to consider the number of "cases" (総検挙件数) to asssess the importance of foreign crime in a country. Let u concentrate on the number of criminal and offenders, regardles of how active they are. Otherwise, just a few "proffesional criminals" could tarnish the image of their country by committing hundreds or thousands of crimes each, like the bunch of Turks committing 5334 robberies out of 5353 crimes listed for Turkey (only 19 other cases of crimes, maybe committed by the same few people !).

    Now it is interesting to see that out of 20,007 people arrested (in the 40,615 cases), 8,996 (45%) were Chinese. East Asians countries listed (China, Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Thai, Myanmar, Malaysia) account for 14,181 or 70,9% of all crimes and offences.

    Brazil and Peru totalize 9%, Iran 2%, and non specified countries 18%.

    Let us now divide this between crimes and offences, out of the total of 20,007 (with nationalities' %age in order of importance in brackets => China=C, Korea=K, Philippines=Ph, Peru=Pe, Brazil=B, Vietnam=V, Thailand=T, Iran=I, Others=O).

    Crimes : 5,665 (C=48,7%, B=12,3%, K=5,2%, Pe=5%)

    Serious : 1,110 (C=40,6%, B=17,5%, K=9,2%, Pe=4% - O=19,2%)

    - Murders : 61
    - Rapes : 34 (B=20,5%, C=14,7%, K=11,7%, Pe=11,7%)
    - Violent offenses: 633 (C=32,2%, B=13,7%, K=11,7%, Ph=5,5%)
    - Arsons : 13
    - Roberies : 369 (C=57,7%, Ph=22,7%, K=3,8%, Pe=3,5%)

    Minor : 4,555 (C=50,7%, B=11%, V=9,4%, Pe=5,2%, K=4,2%)

    - Theft: 4,555

    Offences : 10,694 (C=40,3%, K=11,5%, Ph=9%, T=5,9%, I=3,4%)

    - Illegal weapon possession : 98
    - Prostitution : 173
    - Sex-industry related (風営適正化法) : 354
    - Drug-related : 858
    - Immigration-related : 9,211

    Others & Non specified : 3,555

    - Intellectual property : 497
    - Others: 588
    Others (serious) : 2,470


    Non-specified crimes/offences notwithstanding, 2/3 of the so-called crimes are actually offences, which means, they aren't hurting anybody. Only 5% of the total are serious crimes.

    Altogether, Chinese committed 48,7% of crimes and 40,3% of offences. East Asians have a higher rates of offences, while Brazilans and Peruvians account for 12,3% and 5% of all crimes, which is more than any country but China.

    It is also worth noticing that among the 323 Burmese (Myanmar) arrested, 301 were for immigration reason, 11 for thefts, 11 for "others" and only one serious crime (a robbery). Malaysia has very similar statistics (238 immigration and 31 drug offences out of 315). If Myanmar and Malaysia get such "good" statistics, I can imagine that very few Westerners are represented among the 20,007 "crimes", except for some visa overstayers.
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    So, I think we could just say :
    総検挙件数 = number of cases
    Thanks. またおかしな所があったら教えてください。


    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo(11-03-04, 16:26)
    69 murders and 369 robberies in a country of 126.000.000 people, among which more than 1 million foreigners, that is not so bad. I'd like to compare the average crime rate per capita among each nationality, including Japanese. I am almost certain that Westerners (living in Japan) have a much lower crime rate than the Japanese.
    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo(Today, 11:05)
    I think the point of this thread is not to see the percentage of crimes committed by Japanese in Japan (as in any country, natives have the highest %age), nor abroad................The point of this thread is mainly to see what kind of crimes foreigners commit in Japan and where these foreigners are from.
    I see. Three months have passed.


    The main difference is that crimes are causing damage, loss or trauma to someone, while offences are just doing something illegal without hurting anyone.
    Business people (expats), students or diplomats must be the people of the lowest crime rate as you said. And do you think what type of people are the highest? And about illegal immigrants, it's obvious that serious problems will occur when they ensure a sertain number of populations, even if they are good people as individuals. Japan have already experienced it in these 60 years with 2-3 millions of immigrants from Korea.


    Unfortunately, even if the authorities know it, they are never going to acknowledge it. That is probably why they always refer to "foreigners", rather than talk of nationalities or regional groups (South-East Asian, Africans, Middle-Easterners, Europeans, North Americans...)
    I think the reverse is true. We are too aware/nervous of the several nationalities of frequent crimes, so they(not only Japanese, but including the people from those countries) want to hide the fact. That policy made a good achievement in terms of reducing the discrimination toward the great number of their innocent countrymen during the "mass-media" era. But in this "internet" era, such information control may have the opposite effect.


    I don't think it fair to consider the number of "cases" (総検挙件数) to asssess the importance of foreign crime in a country. Let u concentrate on the number of criminal and offenders, regardles of how active they are.
    To compare the number of Japanese criminal with the number of some nationality's criminal + offenders may be unfair. However, it doesn't mean that

    1)Japan(ese) should not blame foreign offenders, or
    2)criminal comparison is important, while offenders or c+o comparison is meaningless, or
    3)Japan(ese) should not control the number,nationality,type,ability of immigrants.

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