Quote Originally Posted by Hiroyuki Nagashima View Post
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Remains prove the history.
The gold seal was given the Japanese king in 57 in the Christian era by the Chinese emperor.
This proves that a Japanese traded with China in those days, and it proves the existence of the country.
Japan wasn't a unified country. There was no "Japanese" country during that time period. Japan was a landmass inhabited by the people of Wa who were split into dozens of communities each with different kings/tribal leaders. No different from America before the arrival of Columbus.

These communities would wage war against each other for centuries and would not unite into a true singular country(Japan) as we know it until 1500 years later. During Hideyoshis time. Here are some Chinese records of the time period as evidence

====Chinese records on Japan's status during that time period==========
Book of Han(Chinese historical text)
Beyond Lo-lang in the sea, there are the people of Wo. They comprise more than one hundred communities.

Book of Wei(Chinese historical text)
The people of Wa dwell in the middle of the ocean on the mountainous islands southeast of [the prefecture] of Tai-fang. They formerly comprised more than one hundred communities.

Book of Wei(again)
Over one thousand li to the east of the Queen's land, there are more countries of the same race as the people of Wa.

Book of Later Eastern Han
The Wa dwell on mountainous islands southeast of Han [Korea] in the middle of the ocean, forming more than one hundred communities

Book of Sui
During the Wei dynasty, over thirty countries [of Wa-kuo], each of which boasted a king, held intercourse with China.

Hou Han Shu
Each community has its king, whose office is hereditary.
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Its true that Japanese communities of the past maintained relationships with the Han dynasty of China. And this is actually well known. I even mentioned it 2 pages ago. However, it still favors my argument either way. This does not signify Japan the country as trading with China or Korea. It signifies one of the more than 100 communities trading with mainlanders.

Chinese record(history of Wei)
The people of Wa dwell in the middle of the ocean on the mountainous islands southeast of [the prefecture] of Tai-fang. They formerly comprised more than one hundred communities. During the Han dynasty, [Wa envoys] appeared at the Court; today, thirty of their communities maintain intercourse [with us] through envoys and scribes.

As you can see, it wasn't Japan that maintained relations with China. It was the tiny fractured communities of Wa people.

1. Inariyama Sword : It was discovered from an old burial mound of Saitama.
It was written as dedication for 471 years.
Only one problem though, Gwangetto ruled during 374-413 AD. Over a century before Japan's earliest sword. By that time period, all three Korean kingdoms had complicated iron weaponry, cavalry and armor. Japan didnt. You can see why its very unlikely that Japan- a fractured country of over 100 warring tribes without organized government, iron weapons and armor was somehow able to cross the sea in large numbers and defeat the technologically and numerically superior Korean kingdoms of Shilla and Paekche.

The Inariyama Sword was a special made gift for one of the Wa kings of the island. It was tailored made for him. This in no way signifies that the vast majority of Japanese people during that time period used iron weapons as was the case on the mainland. Japan would not truly reach the iron age until much later. And they would only use iron weapons in combat much later as well.

One more thing, the sword is in such poor condition that its date is difficult to establish. The swords age ranges from 471 AD to 521.

2. The armor was excavated from the old burial mound, too.
We can watch them at the Tokyo National Museum and other many local museums.
Whats your definition of sophisticated armor?

Because all complicated plate and metal armor during that time period were of Korean design(Kaya, Baekje etc).

3.4. A horse was imported into Japan in Burial Mound age.
@@The model of harness and the horse is excavated from the old burial mound
5. chariots does not seem to have been suitable for the Japanese topography.
The Kofun era ended in 538 AD which was still centuries after Gwangettos time. Horses were not native to Japan and had to be brought over from the mainland and bred over the centuries.

6.From a number and the size of the old burial mound, I can suppose that Japan had more population @@than Korea.
@Japan has more population now than Korea.
Of course Japan has a larger than population than Korea right now. The northern half of it is starving. And how exactly can you measure population size using size and number of burial mounds?

Type in "Korea three kingdoms" into google or any other search engine and you'll see that Korea was much larger back then. The Korean kingdoms during that time period were already established and possessed stable government structure and modern farming technology of the time. Population growth was stable within the peninsula.

Hokkaido, Okinawa and the northern half of Honshu was not a part of the Wa people during that time period. What constituted Wa Japan during that time period was small. Most of it being the southern half of Honshu. Japan during that time period did not possess a stable government. Communities relied on less efficent methods of farming or hunting and gathering.

Korea had a far far larger population then Japan back then.

7.The group of the scale to receive the recognition as the country from a foreign country existed.
Primitive African and Native American tribes of the past also traded and established relations with powerful western nations during the time of colonization. It doesnt really mean those tribes were "Advanced".

@@The gold seal proves it.
8.@I was not inferior in all fields.
@@There was it in a basal level.
@@Existing Japanese cultural heritage proves it.
Japan as a single functioning country would not come into existence until 1500 years after than Han dynasty period or 1300 years after Gwangettos time. The gold seal only proves that a few Japanese communities out over of 100 traded and maintained relations with the Han dynasty. Japan was still a chaotic island of 100 or more warring communities with different leaders and views.