Quote Originally Posted by centrajapan View Post
This is the same reason why people go and see a shrink or go to a church. To get answers. Some kind of guidance. I believe in Astrology but I don't go around studying what kinds of effect i has on me. Concider this. We humans like to think that we have a free will which is completely independent from everything around us. Yet the things around us such as trees, animals, air is affected by external powers.
Then why do you believe in it? Why look at your horoscope when you seem to say you don't need it? People who believe in astrology are like people who follow religion. Both are looking for answers and guidence. Plus, as of yet, you have provided no evidence that astrology works in an objective manner along with your mysterious external powers (please list).
Let us take this to a different stage:
1. If you believe in astrology which one?
Currently most of the western world follow astrolgy that follows the greek tradition. 12 zodical signs. Yet there are several more. Chinese astrology, that uses 28 signs within its zodiac. Indian that prefers to use the moons path through the sky rather than the suns, giving it 27 signs.
2. Which constellations do you use?
The zodiac consists of the twelve constellations that the sun moves through on its path across the sky. But these twelve constellations are of Greek/Roman origin. The Chinese (as mentioned above) use 28 (mansions). There are also the dark cloud constellations that where used in Incan astrology.
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Dark cloud constellations:
Members of the Inca civilization identified various dark areas in the Milky Way as animals, and associated their appearance with the seasonal rains. These areas are commonly referred to by modern researchers as dark cloud constellations.
3. Why these particular constellations?
There are currently 88 constellations in the night sky, as recognised by the International Astronomical Union (IAU). the only difference between the zodiac and the others is the sun passes infront of these 12, not the rest. But, as Centrajapan mentions, all objects influence you, then there should be no difference between Taurus or Ursa Major. They are all in the sky. So why do these 12 influence people more than the others? Why would being born under Gemini affect your personality more than Orion or Sextus?
4. Which stars in the zodical constellations do you use?
When you look at a constellation the shape is made out by connecting certain stars together, yet within the constellation there are others that are part of the constellation, but are not joined by the line. For example Aries consists of 4 star; Mesarthim, Sheraton, Hamal and 41 Ari. Yet the actual constellation has over 100 stars within its boundries, along with 9 galaxies and a cluster. Also Mesarthim is a triple star system, some 204 ly (light year) away, and
41 Ari is a binary system. There are also several other binary and multiple stars systems within this constellation.
The stars in this constellation vary from over 1300 ly away to only 7.2. If seen from another angle the stars wouldn't even appear to be aries.
So how do you decide which distance to draw the line? At 10 ly or as far as 100 million ly (the distance that galaxy NGC772 is from us)?
remember that the universe and distances involved mean that some of the stars we look at might not even exist any more.
5. Which planets affect us?
In ancient times the planets where seen as wandering stars, as that is what the name originally meant, They identlified 5 planets along with the sun and moon as having influence over us and charts where made using them. Then in 1781 a new planet was discovered. Not a small one either. It was Uranus. Suddenly all astrological charts had to take in this rather large new astronomical object. Does that mean that all charts and predictions before Uranus where wrong? That people personalities where wrong? Then in 1846 Neptune was discovered, another large planet. Once again were all charts before 1846 wrong? Then, once again, horrors of horrors, yet another planet rears it head in 1930, Pluto, and remained a planet for 70 years until it was re-classified as a dwarf planet, mainly due to the discovery of Eris in 2003, a larger body than Pluto. Also came the rapid discoveries of other bodies around Pluto (now known as plutinos), plus the extra two moon of Pluto, Nix and Hydra. So how do we now decide on which panets, moons and near earth objects affect us? After all astrologists also take into account comets. With the destruction of Shoemaker-Levy 9 in 1994 and the discovery of new comets mean that astrological predictions are constantly wrong, or do astrologists do the same as theists, ignore all the facts, evidence and inconsitances and pass them off as rubbish or make lame excuses for them?