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    You really dont know when to give up do you? And why did it take you forever to write up such a tiny and poorly crafted reply?
    At first, it was not china that considerd wa was a great country
    新羅, 百濟皆以俀爲大國,
    then
    多珎物 ,並敬仰之 恒通使往來
    Shilla and Baekje both take Wa to be a large country".....
    大国=large country?
    that is why the korean loves to shout 大韓民国 De-han min gook!!!
    大= large and big.
    It can mean great, however the book of Sui obviously did not imply 大 as great within the text. Did you even bother to read the book of Sui? Or any other Chinese record of the time period?
    You claim that Shilla and Baekje viewed Japan as a great "country". How the hell is this possible when Japan wasn't even considered a true country by Chinese sources? Whenever Chinese records of the time mentioned Japan, they mentioned it as a land mass rather than as a unified country. Chinese records did not view Japan as a singular country. All Chinese records during that time period state repeatedly that Japan was a loose confederation of 100 or more disorganized and primitive tribes each with different kings and leaders. Yet you claim Japan somehow conquered Shilla and Baekje? Lets look at Chinese historical records before and after Gwangettos time.
    Book of Han(Chinese historical text)
    Beyond Lo-lang in the sea, there are the people of Wo. They comprise more than one hundred communities.
    Book of Wei(Chinese historical text)
    The people of Wa dwell in the middle of the ocean on the mountainous islands southeast of [the prefecture] of Tai-fang. They formerly comprised more than one hundred communities.
    Book of Wei(again)
    Over one thousand li to the east of the Queen's land, there are more countries of the same race as the people of Wa. To the south, also there is the island of the dwarfs [侏儒國] where the people are three or four feet tall(LOL). This is over four thousand li distant from the Queen's land.
    Book of Later Eastern Han
    The Wa dwell on mountainous islands southeast of Han [Korea] in the middle of the ocean, forming more than one hundred communities
    Book of Sui
    During the Wei dynasty, over thirty countries [of Wa-kuo], each of which boasted a king, held intercourse with China.
    Hou Han Shu
    Each community has its king, whose office is hereditary. The King of Great Wa resides in the country of Yamadai
    Historical evidence of the time clearly shows that Japan wasn't a unified country. It wasn't a country at all. It was a land mass where various warlords/kings waged war and fought each other. Each and everyone one of those warlords had their own "country" with different kings.
    Really now, are you so stupid as to believe Shilla and Baekje viewed Japan as great? Japan did not even have iron weapons, horses or even a unified government. They were as chaotic and disorganized and humanly imaginable. For what fathomable reason is there for Shilla and Baekje to view Japan as "great"? Large I would understand. Great however is simply ridiculous. Shilla and Baekje were technologically, economically and militaristically centuries ahead of the entire Japanese peninsula. In fact, records of the time clearly state that the Wa living in Japan were downright primitive and moronic.
    Book of Sui
    These barbarians do not know how to measure distance by li and estimate it by days.
    Hou Han Shu
    Four thousand li away to the south of the queen's land, the dwarf's country [侏儒國] is reached; its inhabitants are three to four feet in height. After a year's voyage by ship to the southeast of the dwarf's country, one comes to the land of naked men and also to the country of black-teethed people [裸國黑齒國]; here our communication service ends.
    For what sane reason would those two kingdoms label Japan as great? Please tell me because only an insane person could lie his way out of this one. And while you're at it, please provide evidence that Japan conquered those two Korean kingdoms. Because you have yet to do so. Seriously, how the hell did Japan conquer Shilla and Baekje during Gwangettos time? I would really like to know what kind of story you can cook up this time. I would also like to know where you get your cooky theories and stories from.
    Heck, Japan would not become a single country until almost 1000 years later during Hideyoshis time. And yet you still believe that the book of sui was referring to Japan being "great"? Sorry buddy but most Japanese scholars or at least the sane ones admit that the book of sui was referring to 大 as being large rather than great. Are you so stupid as to not even understand Kanji- your own native language? 大 in Japanese also means large. Do you know why 大 is written the way it is? Its because its supposed to resemble a man stretching his arms and legs as far and wide as possible. It denotes the person trying to be as BIG as possible. Hence its defintion as being large/big.
    Give it up. The book of Sui was obviously referring to 大 as BIG. Not some delusional belief that it was referring to Japan as great. How exactly was Japan great during Shilla and Baekjes time period? Japan lacked iron weapons, armor, organized government, horses, cavalry, a unified country and more. There is no reason to denote Japan as being great, because the book was obviously implying Japan as being a large landmass. Hence the reference to Japan's natural resources within the text and because Japan was a disorganized mess of competing warlords. Japan as I stated earlier wasn't even a country during Gwangettos time period.
    Japan would not become a unified country until over 1000 years later. I realize that you're not a very good debater and resort to biased nationalistic lies, but Jesus Christ do you set the standards of Japanese history lower than imaginable.
    Typical japanese historical fabrication
    Vertical rectangular plate armor ceased to exist by the middle of the fifth century. In its place, the Gaya began using plate armor from Japan. As evidence of the spread of Japanese imports, Japanese armor from the fifth century A.D.--such as triangular plate body armor, horizontal rectangular plate body armor, and pointed helmets--has been found in Gaya tombs. Nonetheless, it was Mongol bowl-shaped helmets and mail armor that were the most common panoplies from the fifth century on..........
    Completely irrelevant to the discussion. Did you even bother to read the link you posted. Kaya did buy "some" Japanese armor probably out of curiosity, but the vast majority of armor used by the Kaya army was still of Korean origin. And really, what does this have to do with anything again? It still doesnt change the fact that Japanese armor was Korean.

    Face it, you've lost this debate. Its over. Kaya is a Korean kingdom. Japan didnt even have access to iron weapons and iron armor and had to trade with Korean kingdoms to obtain them. Its funny how you claim that Kaya was a Japanese kingdom. Yet for some strange reason Japanese people were living in mud huts, didnt even wear clothes, no access to iron weaponry and armor and didn't even have an organized government. Meanwhile Kaya had all of the listed above and more.
    Truly ironic isnt it?
    Typical japanese historical fabrication
    .gayasa.net/gaya/English/M...load/gapju.doc
    //74.125.153.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=jp
    Wa ppl go back to mimana Kaya..
    Silla capital was filled with Wa people
    And what does that have to do with anything? There were lots and lots of Korean people in ancient China? Did that mean Korea conquered all of China? There are Koreans in America today. Does that mean Korea conquered America? Wa was filled to the brim with Korean immigrants. During the Nara period, a large segment of the nobility were Korean and Chinese immigrants. So what does that have to do with anything?
    Nothing. Just like your entire argument.
    Who the hell cares if Wa people lived in Korea? Koreans also lived in Japan as well.
    My goodness does your logic suck. If you're going to make a point. At the very least make an intelligent one.
    Typical japanese historical fabrication
    Last edited by JichaelMordon; Jan 16, 2010 at 05:39.

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