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  • Brief outline of WWII only, without reference to war crimes or atrocities

    1 4.76%
  • Japan's military advances in Asia, without the description of the war atrocities

    0 0%
  • Explanation of the evolution militarism in Japan from Meiji to WWII

    17 80.95%
  • Detailed military expansion of Japan, annexation of Korea, Japan's setting up of the Manchurian incident, etc.

    17 80.95%
  • The Japanese Army's massacres, rapes and plunder of China and other countries

    15 71.43%
  • Japanese biological warfare experiments made on live humans, such as Unit 731

    16 76.19%
  • Harsh treatment of POW's (eg. Death Railway) and slave labour used by Japanese zaibatsu

    16 76.19%
  • Sexual slavery of tens/hundreds of thousands of Asian and Western women

    16 76.19%
  • Mention that the Japanese holocaust cost about 10 to 30 millions lives around Asia

    14 66.67%
  • Mention of that 50,000 to 300,000 Chinese died in the Nanking Massacre

    17 80.95%
  • Mention of other massacres like Sook Ching, Manilla, Laha, Jinan, etc.

    15 71.43%
  • Pictures/videos of atrocities such as the Nanking Massacre

    15 71.43%
  • Emphasis on Japan's responsibility for these war crimes

    15 71.43%
  • Divine status of the emperor before 1945, and responsibility as supreme commander of the army

    13 61.90%
  • Explanation on how Japan has paid reparations and apologised for its war crimes

    11 52.38%
  • Explanation on the controversy about the Yasukuni Shrine, and why war criminals should not be worshipped

    14 66.67%
  • Other (please specify)

    5 23.81%
  • Don't know

    0 0%
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    The Yasukuni Shrine honors those who died for thier country, and the Japanese should worship them. Not all enshrined their are war criminals. The term "war criminal" should not exist, It should just be "criminal". The united States killed many japanese civilian (672,000). So those who ordered the drop, ceated the atomic bomb should also be considered war criminals. The only reason they arnt is because those who achive victory acheive righteousness andare veiwed by history to be right. I am not in any way defending the obvious atrocities committed by Japan, I think that they have been reformed, and currently are a force of good in the world. They dont need to be punished by constant reminders of their mistakes, They must be mentioned and never forgotten, but not constantly forced in thier face. Some american texbooks fail to mention the dresdin firebombing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    The Yasukuni Shrine honors those who died for thier country, and the Japanese should worship them. Not all enshrined their are war criminals.
    Should worship ? As if there exists an obligation ? Why secretly smuggle in people who were at the forefront of bringing shame to Japan ? And all of humanity who happen not to be Japanese, who happened to pay by being in the wrong place as a non-Japanese ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    The term "war criminal" should not exist, It should just be "criminal".
    Why not ? For the comfort of your mind that all is well ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    The united States killed many japanese civilian (672,000). So those who ordered the drop, ceated the atomic bomb should also be considered war criminals.
    Absolutely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    The only reason they arnt is because those who achive victory acheive righteousness andare veiwed by history to be right.
    And where do you draw your conclusion from ? From some general reflections into the deep meanings of life ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    I am not in any way defending the obvious atrocities committed by Japan, I think that they have been reformed, and currently are a force of good in the world.
    Reformed ? What evidence of being reformed can you present ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    They dont need to be punished by constant reminders of their mistakes,
    Constantly ? Some Japanese citizens are shocked to hear the news for the first time in their lives. You must not have much experience with many Japanese in Japan/from Japan. Do you think the self-imposed critics here are just that way and love to criticise, throw dirt in the face of decent people in general ? I wouldn't want to waste my breathe on negativity, my friend. Life is just too short for that kind of stuff !!
    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist
    They must be mentioned and never forgotten, but not constantly forced in thier face. Some american texbooks fail to mention the dresdin firebombing.
    A lot of those "atrocities" are never mentioned. Hence comes the raison d'etre of this thread-poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexico
    Should worship ? As if there exists an obligation ?.
    No, I phrased this wrong. My mistake. My meaning is that Many of those enshrined have made valient efforts for the sake of their country, and should be honored for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by lexico
    Why not ? For the comfort of your mind that all is well ?
    Because war itself is a crime. Those foolish enough to set up rules for war beg disaster from those who are willing to win at all cost. Im saying that they are just plain and simple criminals. I belive the term war criminal is foolish.

    Quote Originally Posted by lexico
    And where do you draw your conclusion from ? From some general reflections into the deep meanings of life ?
    The Romans conquered province after province under the guise of self defense or liberation. And are generally veiwed to be on the side of good. When marco polo was in the chinese empire it was controlled by invaders, and that dynasty is veiwed as good. Europeans conqured ruthlessly the "new world" and are hearalded as great explorers. The colonys rebel against their govenment and win. They are veiwed as good. American millitary preforms almost demi genicide on the native americans and now we are veiwed as good. Had the civil war ended differently the confederates wold be veiwed as good.

    Quote Originally Posted by lexico
    Reformed ? What evidence of being reformed can you present ?.
    Oh your right because i compleatly forgot about all the horrible atrocities that the japanese millitary has comiited after WWII!......OH wait ...they havent. Japan is no longer trying to become an empire or establish colonys. Now I would like proof that they havent. And dont use any examples of ultranationalist who dont represent the entire japanese government.

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