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    Angry Tibetan terrorists

    I am appalled by the way Western media report the situation about Tibet. They are obviously anti-Chinese and pro-Tibetan. Tibetans only choose to demonstrate and cause trouble because of the Olympic Games.

    The games are so important for China that it would be a great victory for the Tibetans if they managed to get some countries, or international organisations, or even just individidual athletes to boycott the games. That is why His Hypocritical Holiness the Dalai Lama carefully planned the recent worldwide protests. Only him has enough influence among the Tibetans to cause the huge anti Chinese Olympics movement that we have seen this week.

    I don't understand why Western media give the image that the Tibetans are the victims in these demonstrations. Ok, Tibet was annexed to China 50 years ago, but that's old, and protests this week are meant only to harm the 2008 Olympics.

    Western media show images of repressions in Tibet, but the truth is that the Tibetans set fire to Chinese shops and houses and throw stones or beat up Chinese people in the street. This is not just in Tibet, but in many provinces of China.

    The repression by the Chinese government are only to be expected in such circumstances, even if the protestors were Han Chinese. Those Tibetans are trouble makers. They must be punished. The Greek police didn't hesitate to beat them up when they caused trouble at Olympia. Many Tibetans were arrested in Belgium when they attacked NATO and the Chinese embassy. How can some Western media be so biased as to think that the Tibetans are the victims here ? Is that because the word Tibetan has become synonymous with victim in some people's heads ?

    When the IRA and ETA do bad things for the sake of their independence, they are called terrorists. When Tibetans do the same, and not just in their country but in the whole world, the president of the US Congress goes to India to give her support to the Dalai Lama !! This is a terrible political mistake ! China is a country of over 1,300 million inhabitants. There are only 5 million Tibetans in Tibet, and not so much more (max. 10 million) with all the exiled Tibetans in the world. Why would the USA want to anger 1,300 million Chinese + hundreds of millions more outside China to protect a small group of Tibetans behaving like terrorists and trouble makers ? That's unbelievable !
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    The Olympic Games coming to China shines a huge spotlight on the country, and is the perfect opportunity for the underrepresented victims of oppression to speak out and be heard. Surely the timing for the protests is not accidental, but to claim the Dalai Lama himself is behind the protests is pure speculation, and also goes against the non-violent nature of Buddhism. He would never endorse violence, even if it meant freedom for his people.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/17/asia/16cndtibet.php
    The Dalai Lama, who heads the government in exile and serves as the spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism, called Sunday for an independent international inquiry into the recent violence.

    He endorsed the right to peaceful protest, called violence an "act of suicide," and accused Beijing of carrying out "a rule of terror."

    Asked if he could stop Tibetan protesters from flouting Beijing's deadline to surrender by midnight on Monday, the Dalai Lama, 72, replied swiftly: "I have no such power."

    He said he had received a call on Saturday from Tibet. "'Please don't ask us to stop,'" was the caller's request. The Dalai Lama promised he would not, even though he said he expected the Chinese authorities to put down the protests with force.
    Ideally, the protests need to be peaceful demonstrations in the vein of Ghandi or MLK's social disobedience. The protesters that have resorted to violence are not doing themselves or their cause any favors, but to label them terrorists for what amounts to rioting at best is a misuse of the label.

    Lastly, although China is indeed a world power, supporting abuses of basic human rights as well as the freedom of religion is the support of an oppressive totalitarian regime. I'm a bit surprised China opted to host the Olympics when it should have known that its track record would come to light.

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    According to Taiwan news sources,the heart of matter in recent Tibetan riotings is " lack of economic opportunity " for indigenous population in face of continued influx of Han-Chinese & Muslims to the territory.Because they're commercially savvy so many local shops & hotels cater to tourism are owned by these newcomers.It's economic disparity angered many young Tibetans despite the fact China spent $4.1 billion on trans-continental railway project connects Tibet to major Chinese cities.The main objective is build up the local economy.

    Beijing government must provide job opportuntities and financial support for Tibetan business start ups in the region as well.

    * 青藏鐵路 Qinghai Tibet Railway

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Eg-...eature=related

    A few ignorant individuals & Western media never failed to amaze me to no end with their " hidden " anti-Chinese crap by glorify Tibet without concrete knowledge of local history of how it intertwined with Manchu and Mongols in the " complex triangular relatioship " which subjugated Tibet to China's domination whether it's imperial or democratic plus diplomatic & military interactions with preceding Chinese dynasties ( centuries past ) & disregard accurate assessment of current events in modern time.
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    I have read some books on Tibet history,here is an extensive collective summary.


    * Mongol Pacification Through ( Manchu ) Qing-Tibetan Relations

    As early as 1639 the Qing monarchs were documented to have engaged in relations with Tibet through patronage of the Yellow sect temples and monasteries. Tibetan cult objects were also already introduced in the Aisin Gioro temple in Mukden well before the Qing invasion of North China.[1] This relation through patronage and the adoption of Tibetan Buddhist ways stemmed back to a blueprint laid out by Emperor Nurhaci where he had stated that “legitimate rule of the Mongols depended upon patronizing Tibetan lamas, whom Altan Khan had established as the spiritual guides of the Mongols.”[2] Relations between the Qing and Tibet therefore existed before the Qing became rulers of China and due to the religious implications, good relations with Tibet were essential for the Qing rulers in order to maintain good relations with Mongolia.

    Therefore, Qing relations with Tibet were heavily interrelated with the Qing policy of Mongol pacification which was achieved through the Tibetan Buddhist sect relations, principally with the Yellow Hat sect hierarchs. Under the Qianlong emperor many Mongol rebellions had to be suppressed by Qing forces. In 1756 Qianlong emperor pointed out that “the western Mongols must have four khans recognized among them, “in order to keep their forces divided. Each has to be concerned about his own welfare, and submit to the empire for protection from the others.” This was the policy of the Qing to maintain division among the Mongols as a policy to pacify possible Mongol threat.

    By 1644 the Qing has finally completed the overthrow of the Ming dynasty and has established themselves as the rulers of China. Similarly in 1642 the Fifth Dalai Lama and his Yellow Hat sect have consolidated their own realm, in large part due to the support of Gushri Khan (a Khosut-Oirat prince).[3] “The Fifth Dalai Lama (1617-1682) was the first Dalai Lama to assume temporal control of Tibet, aided by the troops of the Khosuut Mongol chief, Gushri Khan.”[4] By this time the Qing are the newly rising power of Asia and the numerous different factions within Tibet are quick to recognize this. The various factions quickly begin to send envoys to the Manchu court in an attempt to win their favour and support in order to obtain a leverage or advantage over one another. The different factions consisted of the Gushri and the Fifth Dalai Lama, The deposed King of Tsang, and the Karma-pa hierarchs.[5]

    In 1652 the Fifth Dalai Lama travels to Beijing and has an imperial audience with the Qing emperor in an attempt for both parties to seal a favourable relationship. Upon meeting, the Emperor seizes the Dalai Lama’s hand and enquires about his health through an interpreter[6]. Throughout the meeting the Emperor and Dalai Lama show signs of mutual respect and when the tea arrived the Emperor in fact urges the Dalai Lama to drink before him. Vast amounts of presents are in addition offered to the Dalai Lama. From the conduct of the Shunzhi Emperor we can see that he surprisingly meets the Dalai Lama as his equal. In fact there had also been discussion about Shunzhi Emperor travelling to a place beyond the Great Wall to meet the Dalai Lama.[7]

    After this formal meeting the “priest-patron” relation has been established between the Qing Emperor and Tibet. Both parties have successfully attained what they had been pursuing: The Dalai Lama had gained assurance of support from the Qing Emperor in order to maintain his power over his rivals, and the Qing had earned spiritual legitimation from the Tibetan Buddhist hierarchs through association, future political manipulation, and also titles of Bodhisattva bestowed upon the emperor and future emperors which gave them influence and significance within the Tibetan Buddhist community. The key of all these factors was that the Qing could now have political influence by establishing themselves as the patrons of Tibetan Buddhism. This was of particular importance in regards to pacifying Mongolia since the Dalai Lama had great influence amongst the Mongols and is later asked by Qing rulers to use this influence to “prevent danger to China”.[8] According to David Snellgrove and Hugh Richardson,

    “Just as the Indian masters of Buddhist doctrine and practice had once everything to give (or sell) to Tibetans who were so anxious to learn, so now the Mongols continued to learn from their Tibetan masters in religion all they could of Buddhist doctrine. Mongol students came to Tibetan monasteries… just as Tibetans had once visited the great monastic universities of northern India.”

    In addition by tightening and improving relations with the Tibetans, the Qing rulers were reducing the possibility of Tibetans uniting against them with the Mongols. This was a great fear of the Kangxi Emperor’s during his reign. “The Kangxi Emperor remained wary of strategic combinations between Tibet and the unconquered Mongols of Central Asia. His concerns had proved justified when the western Mongol leader Galdan enlisted ambitious factions in Tibet to support his cause.”[9] The willingness to completely disregard the Chinese imperial protocol by Emperor Shunzhi also demonstrated just how significant relations with the Tibetan Buddhist leaders were to the Qing in order to pacify the Mongols. “It must be remembered that Chinese political theory excluded entirely the possibility of equal diplomatic relations with any other country whatsoever.”[10] The willingness to forgo the imperial foreign policy towards the Tibetan Buddhist hierarchs did not center on this sole event between the Fifth Dalai Lama and the Shunzhi Emperor alone. On the 20th of August, 1780 the Qianlong Emperor met the Third Panchen Lama in Chengde and in this visit he too disregarded the Chinese imperial protocols for foreigners just as his predecessor the Shunzhi Emperor had done. The Qianlong Emperor extended a huge celebration and show upon the Panchen Lama’s arrival. “As the greetings started, The Panchen Lama began to kneel down but the emperor took his hand and made him rise, saying in Tibetan, “Lama, please do not kneel.””[11]

    Also similarly to what had occurred when the Dalai Lama and the Shunzhi Emperor met in 1652, the Qianlong Emperor urged the Panchen Lama to drink his tea before him on more than one occasion. However they always resolved to drink simultaneously. The visit itself was very costly with all the large performances and gifts being given on behalf of the emperor. It lasted over sixty six days and all expenses for the Panchen Lama and his escorts were paid through the Imperial treasury. This showed exactly how important relations with Tibetan Buddhist hierarchs remained from Shunzhi’s reign to Qianlong’s since both were identically willing to disregard their imperial political policies towards foreigners in dealings with the Tibetan high lamas. In fact it possibly shows a growth in the importance of the priest-patron relationship. This was due to the fact that the Qianlong Emperor’s devotion and advocacy of Tibetan Buddhism was stronger than that of his predecessors.

    Under the Qianlong Emperor Tibet functioned as an ideological resource and was subject to strategic intervention of imperial forces.[12] However Emperor Qianlong was unsatisfied with the previous ritual relationships the Qing dynasty had with Tibetan Buddhists. He therefore “intended to make his imperial capital at Peking the spiritual capital of the Lamaist realm…Tibetan Buddhism was enshrined in various temples closely linked with the imperial family”.[13] In 1757 the Qing defeated the western Mongols and the strategic interest of the Qing were lessened but carefully the Qianlong emperor “decreed that no more reincarnations of the living Buddha would be found among Mongols; only Tibetans would henceforth be living Buddhas.”[14] This demonstrated the use of Chinese political manipulation in the Tibetan Buddhist hierarchy in order to prevent the threat of Mongols. However this form of political manipulation was a much more direct and imposing since after 1720 the Qing had militarily occupied Tibet, due to the Zhungar invasion of central Tibet and Kham, and had established Tibet as a protectorate state.[15] “Tibet was under Qing military domination, the Dalai Lamas themselves were virtual prisoners of the Qing court.”[16] The

    Tibet was “a geo-political sector of fundamental importance in the maintenance of Qing domination, and intimately associated with progressive Qing control over Mongolia.” The Qing emperors made sure to maintain good relations with the Tibet for this specific reason and in particular leaders of Tibetan Buddhism, such as the Dalai Lama. By associating themselves with Tibetan Buddhism and acting as patrons and protectors of the Tibetan Buddhist Yellow Hat sect, the emperors were bestowed titles such as bodhisattva which helped them legitimize their rule in the eyes of the Mongols. Engaging in good relations with the Tibetan Buddhists also diminished the possibilities of a Mongol-Tibetan union in rebellion against the Qing, a fear that was realized under the Kangxi Emperor. Association with the Tibetan Buddhist also allowed the Qing emperors to manipulate the Tibetan hierarchs in order to suit their political motives especially since the Dalai Lama acted with great influence amongst the Mongols and since many Mongols came to Tibet to learn the Buddhist teachings. Therefore, Qing relations with Tibet were heavily interrelated with the Qing policy of Mongol pacification which was achieved through the Tibetan Buddhist sect relations.

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    [1] Pamela Kyle Crossley, The Manchus (Oxford: Blackwell Publishers, 1997) 113
    [2] Ibid.
    [3] Matthew T. Kapstein, The Tibetans (Oxford: Blackwell Publishers, 2006) 140
    [4] Donald S. Lopez, “Tibetan Buddhism”, edited by Ruth W. Dunnell, New Qing Imperial History: The Making of the Inner Asian Empire at Qing Chengde. (London: RoutledgeCurzon, 2004) 26
    [5] David Snellgrove and Hugh Richardson, A Cultural History of Tibet (Boulder: Prajana Press, 1980) 198
    [6] Kapstein, 140
    [7] Ibid.
    [8] Snellgrove, 198
    [9] Crossley, 118
    [10] Snellgrove, 198.
    [11] Nima Dorjee Rangubs, “The Third Panchen Lama’s visit to Chengde, Edited by Ruth W. Dunnell, New Qing Imperial History: The Making of the Inner Asian Empire at Qing Chengde. (London: RoutledgeCurzon, 2004) 190
    [12] Crossley 113
    [13] Crossley 118.
    [14] Ibid.
    [15] Kapstein 148.
    [16] Crossley 121.

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    Cohen, Warren I. East Asia at the Center. New York: Columbia University Press, 2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nice gaijin View Post
    Surely the timing for the protests is not accidental, but to claim the Dalai Lama himself is behind the protests is pure speculation, and also goes against the non-violent nature of Buddhism. He would never endorse violence, even if it meant freedom for his people.
    He is a politician and a religious leader. Do you know either "variety" of person that always tell what they think and do ?

    Lastly, although China is indeed a world power, supporting abuses of basic human rights as well as the freedom of religion is the support of an oppressive totalitarian regime. I'm a bit surprised China opted to host the Olympics when it should have known that its track record would come to light.
    China is hardly an oppressive totalitarian regime. It takes discipline to keep public order in a country with so many people. Proportionally to its economic development and population, China is less oppressive than most developping countries.

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    There's actually an interesting YouTube about the subject.
    youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo

    It's only about 7 minutes long and it's pro-China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A ke bono kane kotto View Post

    Western media show images of repressions in Tibet, but the truth is that the Tibetans set fire to Chinese shops and houses and throw stones or beat up Chinese people in the street. This is not just in Tibet, but in many provinces of China.

    The repression by the Chinese government are only to be expected in such circumstances, even if the protestors were Han Chinese. Those Tibetans are trouble makers. They must be punished.

    The Greek police didn't hesitate to beat them up when they caused trouble at Olympia. Many Tibetans were arrested in Belgium when they attacked NATO and the Chinese embassy.
    Exactly,those Tibetan troublemakers provoked social unrests in Tibet & several nearby provinces.

    The " terrorists " label is appropriate for trouble making Tibetan individuals organized riot & subversive activities that caused civilian deaths,Chinese authorities should arrest and punish them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A ke bono kane kotto View Post
    He is a politician and a religious leader. Do you know either "variety" of person that always tell what they think and do ?
    China is hardly an oppressive totalitarian regime. It takes discipline to keep public order in a country with so many people. Proportionally to its economic development and population, China is less oppressive than most developping countries.
    Does your disdain for political and religious leaders prove that he's had any hand in planning these protests?

    And China's large population does not give it carte blanche to do whatever it wants to keep the masses in line. The policies you are promoting as "discipline" are the very definition of totalitarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nice gaijin View Post
    And China's large population does not give it carte blanche to do whatever it wants to keep the masses in line. The policies you are promoting as "discipline" are the very definition of totalitarianism.
    Oh, come on ! Because the USA do not arrest people without proof and do not condemn innocents to death maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A ke bono kane kotto View Post

    I am appalled by the way Western media report the situation about Tibet. They are obviously anti-Chinese and pro-Tibetan.
    Canada's mainland Chinese immigrants protested against Western media bias news reportings on Tibet.It's good to see they are mobilized to expose the true face of so-called free press mperialistic Western propaganda machine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGVyyMnZgg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B7YgNYuGzw


    Excellent rock music video produced by Toronto Canada Chinese peaceful assembly,Tibet is a part of China !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-qM...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by A ke bono kane kotto View Post
    Oh, come on ! Because the USA do not arrest people without proof and do not condemn innocents to death maybe ?
    America's justice system may be flawed, but it was at least intended to give people the benefit of the doubt and ensure they receive a fair and speedy trial. Please give me the name of one innocent person executed within the US justice system.

    Besides, this thread (that you started) is about China and Tibet. Going on about another country does not serve as a counter-argument. This is irrelevant.

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    We need certain criteria to make judgements, my friend. Tibet is part of China just because China claims it to be. I am a Han Chinese living in China, and I have sympathy with those Tibetans who have been fighting for their freedom and dignity.

    Plus: The Chinese government, or rather the CCP, has been deceiving the international community as well as the Chinese public concerning the Tibetan issue. The violence in Lhasa was not committed by the peaceful demonstrating monks, but by the Chinese armymen in plain clothes. Trust me.

    China has been trying to colonize Tibet, against the will of many, if not all Tibetans.
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    You can not stand for the Tibetan,Tonysoong~

    You just can guess it ~

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    The violence in Lhasa was not committed by the peaceful demonstrating monks, but by the Chinese armymen in plain clothes. Trust me.
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    How do you know that ,Isn't you more CNN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonysoong View Post
    We need certain criteria to make judgements, my friend. Tibet is part of China just because China claims it to be. I am a Han Chinese living in China, and I have sympathy with those Tibetans who have been fighting for their freedom and dignity.
    Come on ! Tibet has half the population of Hong Kong ! Yet, Hong Kongers did not protest and attack Chinese embassies worldwide when the UK decided to give it back to China. That's politics. Most Tibetans today were born in China, not in an independent Tibet. Get over it. Should the Okinawans fight for their independence from Japan ? Should the Manchu create an independent Manchuria because they are a separate ethnicity from the Han, with their own proud history ? With that kind of logic, you can parcel China and Indonesia in a multitude of independent states.

    Plus: The Chinese government, or rather the CCP, has been deceiving the international community as well as the Chinese public concerning the Tibetan issue. The violence in Lhasa was not committed by the peaceful demonstrating monks, but by the Chinese armymen in plain clothes. Trust me.
    Tibetans don't look the same as Han Chinese. They have different features and slightly darker skin. From what I saw on TV, demonstrators looked Tibetan. There were demonstrations in Europe too. Do you claim that the Chinese government sent its own nationals to demonstrate in favour of Tibet at Olympia, in front of the NATO headquarters or in front of many Chinese embassies ? The local police arrested many demonstrators, and they would have noticed from the name on their passport/ID if they were Han Chinese. Nothing like that has been reported, even by pro-Tibetan media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A ke bono kane kotto View Post

    With that kind of logic, you can parcel China and Indonesia in a multitude of independent states.
    America can breakup into several hundred independent nations ..

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    http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2008/...tibet-protest/
    China Regime Implicated in Staging Violence in Tibet Protest

    Posted by chinaview on March 29, 2008

    By Qin Yue and Qi Yue, Sound of Hope, via the Epochtimes, Updated Mar 28, 2008-

    Evidence is accumulating that the Chinese regime orchestrated violence in Lhasa in order to discredit the peaceful protests of Buddhist monks.

    According to the Dalai Lama’s Chinese translator, Ngawang Nyendra, a witness reported that a Chinese policeman in Lhasa disguised himself as a Tibetan and joined the protesters holding a knife in his hand. This witness also recognized the man from BBC news footage and news photos provided by China.

    A Chinese woman from Thailand (who prefers that her name not be used) was studying in Lhasa when the protests broke out in March. As one of her friends is a policeman, she visited him at the local police station quite often and got to know other policemen there.


    (Photo: The upper portion shows the uncropped photo distributed to news media by the Chinese Embassy, with a Chinese policeman in disguise holding a knife;
    The lower portion, the edited version of the same scene distributed by the Chinese Embassy after the man’s identity was revealed at a rally in Darmasala/ from the Epochtimes website)



    After the protests on March 14, she and other foreigners were sent to the police station where she saw a man with a knife in his hand walking in with some arrested Tibetans. The man later took off the Tibetan-style clothes and put on a police uniform.cropped copy of the photo released by the Chinese Embassy purporting to show a Tibetan with a knife taking part in a riot.

    This woman was sent out of Lhasa with other foreigners the next day. When she arrived in India via Nepal, she recognized the policeman she had seen in Tibetan garb from BBC TV news and photos that the Chinese embassy had provided to the media.

    Ngawang Nyendra said the witness was shocked when she saw the policeman in the BBC broadcast. She realized then that the man had disguised himself as a Tibetan in order to incite people to riot.

    (photo: Cropped copy of the Chinese policeman that was released by the Chinese Embassy purporting to show a Tibetan with a knife taking part in a riot/ from the Epochtimes website)

    The witness contacted a Tibetan organization in India and told them what she had seen. At a rally on March 17, the organization publicized a news photo originally provided by the Chinese Embassy in India in which the policeman appeared as a Tibetan rioter.

    On Xinhua and other Chinese-language Web sites friendly to the regime, after the rally at which the witness spoke, the policeman in disguise had disappeared from photos taken at the same scene in which he had previously been visible. Recently, the original man-with-the-knife photo has returned to these Web sites.

    Ngawang Nyendra said, “This photo with this man in it was sent by the Chinese embassy to BBC and Radio Free Asia. The other photo was sent out later. They are exactly the same except the man has disappeared from the second photo.

    “From the TV news footage, you can see this man attempting to stab other people with a knife. But in later shots you can’t find this person any more. They were acting. After people raised questions about these shots, this footage never appeared on TV again.”

    Other Evidence

    The main claim of the dramatic story told last week by the Dalai Lama’s translator— that the Chinese regime incited the riots in Lhasa— has lately found corroboration from other sources.

    There is first of all the Chinese regime’s track record of staging this kind of deception.

    This is not the first time that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has sent policemen to act as rioters in civilian protests in Tibet to stir up violence and frame the protesters.

    In his “Events in Lhasa March 2-10, 1989″, the Chinese journalist Tang Daxian revealed how the CCP orchestrated violence as part of a plan to suppress the 1989 protests in Tibet.

    According to the article, “On the dawn of March 5, the Armed Police in Tibet received the action order from the Chief Commander of Armed Police headquarter, Mr. Li Lianxiu.…The Special Squad should immediately assign 300 members to be disguised as ordinary citizens and Tibetan monks, entering the Eight-Corner Street and other riot spots in Lhasa, to support plain-clothes police to complete the task.

    “Burn the Scripture Pagoda at the northeast of Dazhao Temple. Smash the rice store in the business district, incite citizens to rob rice and food, attack the Tibet-Gansu Trading Company. Encourage people to rob store products, but, only at the permitted locations.”

    According to the commentator Mr. Chen Pokong, “In this year’s protest, the riot scene was quite similar to that of 1989. A group of young men in their twenties acted in a well organized way. They first shouted slogans, then burnt some vehicles near the Ramoche Monastery, and then broke into nearby stores and robbed them, and finally burnt scores of the stores.

    “The actions seemed well planned and coordinated, and were conducted with skill. At the crossroads near the Ramoche Monastery, someone prepared in advance many stones of a similar size, each weighing a couple of kilograms. These stones magically escaped the attention of numerous policemen and plainclothes agents who flooded the city.”

    Mr. Chen’s account of what happened this year is corroborated by the British high-tech spy agency GCHQ, whose satellites observed Chinese police incite the riots in Lhasa, according to a report in the G2 Bulletin.

    These accounts also help make sense of puzzling aspects of a report in the New York Times on the scene on the streets of Lhasa on March 14.

    According to the NY Times, “Foreigners and Lhasa residents who witnessed the violence were stunned by what they saw, and by what they did not see: the police. Riot police officers fled after an initial skirmish and then were often nowhere to be found.”

    “One monk reached by telephone said other monks noticed that several officers were more interested in shooting video of the violence than stopping it. ‘They were just watching,’ the monk said. ‘They tried to make some videos and use their cameras to take some photos,’” according to the NY Times.

    The publication of the photo of the man with the knife by Xinhua and its distribution by the Chinese Embassy, as reported by the Dalai Lama’s translator, would be consistent with this monk’s observation.

    Meanwhile, the Tibetans continue to assert that the Chinese regime has been hoodwinking the world about what happened during the protests in Lhasa.

    30 young monks broke into a press briefing behind held on Thursday by the Chinese regime in Jokhang Temple in Lhasa. According to USA Today reporter Callum MacLeod (as reported by Reuters), the young monks shouted, “Don’t believe them. They are tricking you. They are telling lies.”

    With reporting by Stephen Gregory and Hao Feng
    whoops. Guess we can't trust everything Chinese officials tell us about Tibet? My world has been turned upside down.

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    Bush Administration manipulated the media to broadcast dubious case of " WMD " in Iraq,some ignorant folks trusted him ...

    Now people wonder why Iraq is in hell hole ....

    Continued skyrocket gasoline price for consumers worldwide and US oil corporations have been reporting quarterly earnings of $10-$25 billons for the last few years.

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    OK, since no one is interested in discussing the actual issue at hand, I'm just going to excuse myself from this thread.

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    阿波罗新闻网2008-03-21讯
    泰国华侨见证中共警察扮演西藏人持刀施暴
    (摘录)
    在平民的示威抗议事件中,中共警察扮演暴徒进行煽动和栽赃不是第一次。早在1989年,深入西藏的中国记者 唐达献就写下纪实:《 刺刀直指拉萨-1989年西藏事件纪实》。文中披露:当年,当藏人发起和平示威后数日,中共当局安排大批特务和便衣,假扮 市民和 僧侣,有计划地造势:烧毁经塔,砸抢粮店,洗劫商店,鼓励民众哄抢物资。成功"造势"之后,军警展开血腥镇 压。

    2008/April/03
    Another 8 Tibetan were killed in Sichuan.
    Chinese friens!! Stop your government now!!!!

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    where is the intelligentsia ...

    who's benefits,who care?

    I don't trust anything until I see it ~

    seeing is believing~

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    Quote Originally Posted by YAPONLUQ View Post

    Another 8 Tibetan were killed


    My friend,no deaths at all if indigenous Tibetans hadn't instigated violence

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    ŒŰ‹N—EŸƒ—ˆ对’†‘­•{说g•sh”c

    西藏大屠杀详细内容:

    According to Samdhong Rinpoche and the 14th Dalai Lama, by 1962 only 70 of the original 2,500 monasteries in the Tibet Autonomous Region were left after 93% of the monks were forced out. The loss of life as a direct result of the invasion and occupation from 1950 to 1976 has been estimated as follows: 173,221 Tibetans died in prisons and labor camps; 156,758 by execution; 342,970 by starvation; 432,705 in battles and uprisings; 92,731 by torture; and 9,002 by suicide. Note that these statistics refer to a period of 26 years, not just the 1950 engagement.

    Third party perspective
    However, according to Patrick French, a supporter of the Tibetan cause who was able to view the data and calculations, the estimate is not reliable. The Tibetans were not able to process the data well enough to produce a credible total. French says this total was based on refugee interviews, but prevented outsider access to the data. French, who did gain access, found no names, but "the insertion of seemingly random figures into each section, and constant, unchecked duplication." ”

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    Chinese friends!
    鼓起勇气来对中国政府说“不”把

    2008,April,3
    In Sichuan, another 15 (or 8) tibetan people were killed by China.


    Stop your government now!!!!
    please!!!!
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    Hypocrisy ..

    Why didn't Western peoples stop their governments' imperial troops looting countless Chinese national treasures and burned down a few imperial palaces in Beijing back in the 19th century.Oh,there were also brief periods of savaged the local civilian Chinese population ( rapings & burn and kill tactic )

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokapi View Post
    Hypocrisy ..

    Why didn't Western peoples stop their governments' imperial troops looting countless Chinese national treasures and burned down a few imperial palaces in Beijing back in the 19th century.Oh,there were also brief periods of savaged the local civilian Chinese population ( rapings & burn and kill tactic )
    The 19th century was a long time ago. Next you're going to use slavery in the 19th century US to justify China's present actions. This thread isn't about what other countries did over a century ago or even what they're doing now. It's about China's egregious violations of human rights that are taking place right now. Your repeatedly off-topic and irrelevant comments are tremendously irritating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YAPONLUQ View Post

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    Another 8 Tibetan were killed in Sichuan.Stop your government now!!!!
    China government foiled terrorism acts of foreign-funded Tibetan covert operation.

    * Sun Apr 13, 11:52 PM ET

    BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese forces found firearms hidden throughout a Tibetan temple in an ethnic Tibetan area of southwestern China which has been the scene of anti-Chinese riots in recent weeks, state television said.

    Police, responding to what they said was a tip-off from the public, found 30 firearms in the monastery in Aba prefecture of Sichuan province last month, state television said in a report, a transcript of which was posted on the station's Web site.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080414/...china_tibet_dc

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