Is this true?

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

The Chinese armed forces shot a pilgrim of Tibet dead indiscriminately.

http://www.protv.ro/stiri/internatio...-pilgrims.html

[leonmarino]

That's pretty sick to say the least. I have no other words at the moment.

[undrentide]

It seems to be true, I wish it weren't...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6045566.stm
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle1813596.ece

Searching with Google by "Tibetan refugees shot by Chinese" results in many hits (almost 420,000 hits by Japanese version of Google).

[mingo]

http://app.hkatvnews.com/content/200...ews_95571.html
電視台拍攝到西藏人圖偷渡到尼泊爾被射死
2006-10-15



羅馬尼亞一間電視台公開拍攝到的片段，指一批西藏人企 圖偷渡去尼泊爾時，被中� 邊防武警射擊，當中有人死 亡。

攝影師在九月三十日早上，看見一批西藏人在西藏邊境的 乃堆拉山口，向尼泊爾方向走去，突然有人中槍跌地。武 警後來帶走一些人。

新華社日前引述西藏自治區負責人指，當日有近七十人偷� n去尼泊爾，期間有人襲擊邊防人員，他們自衛還擊，偷渡客 一死一傷。

http://www5.chinesenewsnet.com/MainN...02_41_273.html

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most of the traditional chinese papers(HK/TW e.g.) stated its a group of smuggler, and there was a possible conflict between them and border guards.

and also the line between smugglers and refugees has been blurred, well, it all depends which side u take...
also if u did a search on google about borders guards/police shoot smugglers.. I guess u will find something interesting.. After all, Bush did call for extra troops on the Mexican borders..

and also I don't think this thread has anything to do with J-C Bilateral relations

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Why was this thread moved here?
What I wanted to know,
Now this news becomes a topic in a Japanese net.
However, it is not reported with television and a newspaper,
The reason is because it felt doubt in Japanese journalist.

It is general common sense in Japan that China is an inhumane nation.

[Elizabeth]

Why was this thread moved here?
What I wanted to know,
Now this news becomes a topic in a Japanese net.
However, it is not reported with television and a newspaper,
The reason is because it felt doubt in Japanese journalist.
It is general common sense in Japan that China is an inhumane nation.

Yeah, there are still thousands of mass public executions carried out in China every year. I challenge anyone to argue it is anything other than an inhumane nation.

[Supervin]

I challenge anyone to argue it is anything other than an inhumane nation.

It's a humane nation, but it has an inhumane government.

[Elizabeth]

It's a humane nation, but it has an inhumane government.

I won't argue with the notion of a humane nation since the phrase seems pretty meaningless apart from its government. Although of course ultimately government practices, I'm sure especially in a that a country with the levels of repression and violence that occur in China and have over so much of its history, have a great deal of influence on the values, social climate, norms of behavior etc of the ordinary masses.

[Supervin]

I won't argue with the notion of a humane nation since the phrase seems pretty meaningless apart from its government. Although of course ultimately government practices, I'm sure especially in a that a country with the levels of repression and violence that occur in China and have over so much of its history, have a great deal of influence on the values, social climate, norms of behavior etc of the ordinary masses.

Instead of hypothesizing, if you've traveled to (mainland) China and met the people there, you'd see that their values and behavioral norms are in a stark contrast to those of the government and their officials.

[Glenn]

Why was this thread moved here?

I moved it here because it seemed to be more about China and its government dealing with its own people rather than China and Japan dealing with each other. Sorry for the confusion.

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

(Attention:It is a brutal photograph.)
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/femal...v_30_2004.html

http://www.peacehall.com/news/gb/chi...12130343.shtml
This news became a topic in a Japanese net, too.
However, it is not broadcasted in the general mass media.

[pharaoh21]

^No need to give a warning sign. I've seen many brutal photos around the net before. Those 2 links are nothing compared with the Nazis and the Japanese Imperial Army. One of the most brutal photos i saw was a Japanese soldier cutting off the head of an Australian POW with a Japanese sword. Actually, what the American soldiers were doing to the Abu Ghraib prisoners was quite brutal too.

However, this has nothing to do with the topic and so are your photos, so let's get back on the topic which is about Tibetians not executions, ok Hiro?

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

^No need to give a warning sign. I've seen many brutal photos around the net before. Those 2 links are nothing compared with the Nazis and the Japanese Imperial Army. One of the most brutal photos i saw was a Japanese soldier cutting off the head of an Australian POW with a Japanese sword. Actually, what the American soldiers were doing to the Abu Ghraib prisoners was quite brutal too.
However, this has nothing to do with the topic and so are your photos, so let's get back on the topic which is about Tibetians not executions, ok Hiro?

Japan and Australia studied World War II jointly.
http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/AJRP/AJRP2.ns...2?OpenDocument
New Guinea of 1943,
There is a document about execution of Sergeant Leonard G. Siffleet.
Japan does not conceal it about an atrocity of the Japanese armed forces in World War II.

[pharaoh21]

Japan and Australia studied World War II jointly.
http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/AJRP/AJRP2.ns...2?OpenDocument
New Guinea of 1943,
There is a document about execution of Sergeant Leonard G. Siffleet.
Japan does not conceal it about an atrocity of the Japanese armed forces in World War II.

I didn't say anything about Japan concealing atrocities. I was only expressing my view of what 'brutal' photos are supposed to be like and that's why I also mentioned the Nazis and the Americans. It seems to me that Japanese are extremely sensitive, as sensitive as all east Asians.
So, Hiro, what does your links got to do with the topic of your very own thread (which yourself is hijacking)?

[leonmarino]

This is also the first time for me seeing a thread starter hijacking his own thread. This thread is really a joke itself.

What are you saying? Some of us just genuinely expressed our concerns about the issue in the original post. Someone else started posting about WWII and comparing footage posted (fulfulling a request) with war atrocities.