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    I want to learn Chinese

    I want to learn Chinese,Do anybody know a Chinese form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyasha-the-kid
    I want to learn Chinese,Do anybody know a Chinese form?
    woah, i had a dab at learning chinese and it was difficult, with the different tonal systems with the words its really hard i tell you.

    "Ni hao" is hello, pronouced "knee how"

    thats all i remember.

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    Here's one: Chinese Forum thanks to Glenn, who got it from MaCherie. There are quite a few people from this forum who's also a member there !
    Get the four Mandarin tones down first; then get those corrected by someone who knows the language as early as possible. This should be done by a real person who can hear you and correct you, probably not on line.
    Z: The fish in the water are happy.
    H: How do you know ? You're not fish.
    Z: How do you know I don't ? You're not me.
    H: True I am not you, and I cannot know. Likewise, I know you're not, therefore I know you don't.
    Z: You asked me how I knew implying you knew I knew. In fact I saw some fish, strolling down by the Hao River, all jolly and gay.

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    the most difficult part for me: kanji ..
    why do they have over 20,000 characters ? *sigh ...
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    A working vocabulary of 20,000 characters would be only found in some of the most erudite, linguistically attuned, perceptive, exceptional individuals because that fairly covers most characters and variants accumulated over more than 2,000 years of continuous use. But in reality very few people would need all that vocabulary, because over half of those 20,000 would be found exclusively in an historical context.

    For the majority of the population, around 2,000 would give you no difficulty leading a personal life; around 5,000 would give you full understanding of everything that is happening in modern China and what is written about the world, save certain loans from foreign countries (not that many).

    Beginner level Chinese character dictionaries rarely exceed 5,000 chars in number, and a 20,000 character dictionary would be quite sufficient even for light historical reading and literature.

    Several dictionaries that include all observed msnuscript styles are kown to have 80,000 characters. Although for the avarage student of hanzi-hanja-kanji, this would be an overkill, such references are essential for the study of epigraphy and script evolution.
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    they said there're 2 types of kanji: china's and taiwan's
    and taiwanese's kanji is more complicated than china's
    what should i learn? i mean, which kanji is commonly used by chinese, or japanese, or taiwanese, well .. by people

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    Re: 2 types of Chinese characters

    Quote Originally Posted by nanda
    they said there're 2 types of kanji: china's and taiwan's
    and taiwanese's kanji is more complicated than china's
    what should i learn? i mean, which kanji is commonly used by chinese, or japanese, or taiwanese, well .. by people
    Traditional characters shared by Japan, Taiwan, S.Korea, Old China, and Old Vietnam are called fan-ti-zi, 繁體字, cumbersome-styled characters, which are just that; having many strokes from 1 to over 40. While certain home-grown characters exists, they are less then 100-200 in all, and should be no cause of major concern.

    The PRC took special pains to introduce simplified characters aka jian-ti-zi 簡體字, abbreviated-styled-characters, which have drastically redued number of strokes. While all PRC citizens under aget 55 were born after the inauguration of the PRC and know both Mandarin and simplified characters, the majority of them also speak their own local vernacular and read/write the traditional charaters as well since the correspondence between jiantizi and fantizi is regular and mostly predictable for those who's had the exposure.

    Therefore over 99% of all traditional characters currently in use in any of the countries can be read and the generally understood within China, Taiwan, S.Korea, and Japan; N.Korea, although it had officially abolished Chinese characters for ideological reasons, revived it in 1963. Hence within the 5 countries the same written characters can be used in communication even though the actual vocalization might vary from place to place.

    To compare the two if you have time for studying only one more language in addition to learning Japanese & Kanji (Sino-Japanese), I'd say learn the traditional cause you can use it in many more countries and your hanzi character wirting-recognizing training can be directly imported to kanji literacy upto a degree. You only need to learn the different readings and usage while the majority of strikes remain identical.

    note: I might add that the use of traditional characters is not limited to the five countries, but also extends to all the areas where there are a lot of Chinese immigrants. Most major cities in SE Asia and other areas such as San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York have Chinatowns. Both the numerous Chinese expatriates speaking Cantonese or Mandarin would have nice shop signs in traditional characters as well as thse you will see in the many books in the Chinese bookstores and the Chinese section of your major libraries. Until sometime in the 1800's, books printed in traditional Chinese numbered the highest among all known scripts of the world !
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanda View Post
    they said there're 2 types of kanji: china's and taiwan's
    and taiwanese's kanji is more complicated than china's
    what should i learn? i mean, which kanji is commonly used by chinese, or japanese, or taiwanese, well .. by people
    the taiwanese kanji is the old/traditional one, it's like the same or more similar to japanese kanji. but i think if you learn just one type of the kanji the other one will be very,very easy to learn/memorize...
    so maybe you should learn the simplified one first (since it's easier) and then you can understand the traditional one without even learning it, but pretty much only understand not memorize...

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    there is only one kanji that means all of them , so semuanya lu musti kuasailah...
    simplified chinese is just an extension of traditional chinese. which means you better learn traditional chinese and then put a plugin on to it (the simplified chinese).
    Simplified seems easier to write because it has less stroke that traditional chinese, so handwriting seems faster, but it is not truly easier than Traditional because it takes more brainpower to store new radicals created for simplified chinese, because in simplified chinese, all the old radicals from traditional chinese still exists so as a result you have to double your brainpower to learn simplified chinese. At least that was a professor in Chinese Linguistics at NTU in Taipei had reasoned to me last time I came by his office to show him my work on the game to improve kanji retention.

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    and why worried about the 20,000 Kanji...even the native speakers have to refer to the dictionary from time to time. Just learn what you need to express your ideas and collect all this treasure naturally as you go. If you need my help, pm me, I can give some advise from firsthand experience.

    ax

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    Quote Originally Posted by alienaxed
    and why worried about the 20,000 Kanji...even the native speakers have to refer to the dictionary from time to time. Just learn what you need to express your ideas and collect all this treasure naturally as you go. If you need my help, pm me, I can give some advise from firsthand experience.

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    Yea you are right. Currently 6763 characters are used in common computers (National Standard II) which meets 99.9999% (*estimated of course) circumtances. But some 3000 out of the 6763 meets 99.99% circumtances. So do not be afraid - even TOEFL, comparing to that of English, requires a vocabulary of 10000 words. So Chinese is not that difficult.

    I'll be pround to help. Maybe voice chat via MSN messager could be a nice tool.
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    I am sticking with Japanese because that is to hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyasha-the-kid
    I am sticking with Japanese because that is to hard.
    Japanese is harder than Chinese... and if you know Kanji, you know Chinese. Just send me mail if you want to learn! ((Chinese has like... a page of grammer. LITTERALLY))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Aoi Fan
    Japanese is harder than Chinese... and if you know Kanji, you know Chinese. Just send me mail if you want to learn! ((Chinese has like... a page of grammer. LITTERALLY))
    Hum...I still encounter weird forms sometimes... one of my teacher litterally told me of a "xong guo bu hen ta" (china isn't very big) and I am still wondering if the sentence is correct...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer
    "xong guo bu hen ta"
    Wow, I thought Japanese "ro-maji" was annoying. That is such a strange spelling (Plus not a very accurate statement!... Maybe riben, but zhongguo?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Aoi Fan View Post
    Japanese is harder than Chinese... and if you know Kanji, you know Chinese. Just send me mail if you want to learn! ((Chinese has like... a page of grammer. LITTERALLY))
    No, I don't think you will know chinese if you know kanji! some kanji are different from chinese's and kanji mostly consist traditional chinese words... it's quite different from simplified chinese words......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Tse View Post
    No, I don't think you will know Chinese if you know kanji! some kanji are different from Chinese's and kanji mostly consist traditional Chinese words... it's quite different from simplified Chinese words......
    Agree, because Chinese character and kanji…
    1. they have same wording but different meanings- Chinese(japanses)
    勉強 to be forced to do something (勉強 to study)
    檢討 to review a incident (検討 to discuss)
    注意 to pay attention to sth or sbd ONLY (注意 warning or to pay attention to sth or sbd)
    喧嘩 speak loudy and disturb other people (喧嘩 to fight)
    2. some Chinese character have a similar structure to kanj
    戰鬥/(戦闘)
    3. some of them are the same wording but in revered sequence:
    in Chinese 士兵 和平
    in Japanese 兵士 平和
    4. some kanji are made by Japanese, Chinese do not have them originally, they cannot be found in a Chinese dictionary. (may be modified form Chinese characters)
    渋谷 -- 渋 (涉)???
    竜 (龍)
    戦闘 (戰鬥)
    5. many kanji is meaningless in Chinese: (if kanji is translate to Chinese...)
    お風呂に入る(洗澡) 切符(票) 赤ちゃん(嬰兒)
    卒業式(畢業典禮) 夜明け(黎明/日出) 飛行機 (飛機) 弁当(飯盒)
    6. Some kanji is imported from ancient Chinese, now they are not used in Chinese
    湯 in ancient Chinese meaning: hot water, now it become soup.
    湯 in japnese meaning: hot water
    I come from Hong Kong, just know a little Japanese and English. If there are any mistakes, please correct them.

    Nevertheless, there are many Chinese character and Japanese kanji have same meaning and similar pronunciation. So that It help you to learn Japanese if you learnt Chinese (I prefer Traditional Chinese), and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Aoi Fan View Post
    Japanese is harder than Chinese... and if you know Kanji, you know Chinese. Just send me mail if you want to learn! ((Chinese has like... a page of grammer. LITTERALLY))
    really? why? is it because of the usage? because I thought the Chinese pronunciations is harder than the Japaneses ones

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    Inuyasha-the-kid, I hope I dont offend you by asking this, but what is your native language?
    Im always interested... as sometimes you go to the effort of writing posts (terribly I might add) in Korean, sometimes japanese, and yes... sometimes english, but im puzzled as to whether english is actually your native tongue?

    Kara-Nari Smarty-Pants Wiz-Girl of the Southern Pacific Queen of Communication and International Arbitration and Diplomatic Solutions to Hairy Territorial Issues Her Majesty the Empress コクネ・ you quite rightly deserve the title for your individuality !

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    are you 13 years old and a student?would you like to stay in china for holiday with my family?
    i am chinese living in shenzhen city of china.chinese is my native language.i am studying english now.i have a son and he is seven years old.i want him to study english.if you like to stay in china for holiday with my family ,we will teach you chinese while you can teach us english.
    if you like to stay in china with my family,you are welcome by my family.
    welcome to china to study chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harry yang
    are you 13 years old and a student?would you like to stay in china for holiday with my family?
    i am chinese living in shenzhen city of china.chinese is my native language.i am studying english now.i have a son and he is seven years old.i want him to study english.if you like to stay in china for holiday with my family ,we will teach you chinese while you can teach us english.
    if you like to stay in china with my family,you are welcome by my family.
    welcome to china to study chinese.

    I can`t it will take long to go there ,plus my mom probably wont let me.

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    普通話是樂趣!!中 是VERY好!我能理解SOME(ediar[不能PinYin。。。LOL])普通話。謝謝!
    How is my CHINESE? It is a fun lnguage to speak, despite my minimal knowalage...

    全然話さんくも使ってみちまった・・・w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaijinian
    普通話是樂趣!!中 是VERY好!我能理解SOME(ediar[不能PinYin。。。LOL])普通話。謝謝!
    How is my CHINESE? It is a fun lnguage to speak, despite my minimal knowalage...

    全然話さんくも使ってみちまった・・・w
    not bad...^^ i'm learner of simplified chinese...and my mother tounge is Indonesia and Indonesian-Hokkien(which is can only be use in Indonesia and Malaysia T_T)

    7 years ago I started learning Chinese in Malaysia...I can speak well...but I cant write much hanzi...我很笨 I like it but it hard(for me) T_T

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaijinian
    普通話是樂趣!!中 是VERY好!我能理解SOME(ediar[不能PinYin。。。LOL])普通話。謝謝!
    How is my CHINESE? It is a fun lnguage to speak, despite my minimal knowalage...

    全然話さんくも使ってみちまった・・・w

    your chinese is very good! 你的普通话非常棒!
    it's so nice to konw you here.很高兴在这里认识你。

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    My native langage is a English, but I can hardly talk it right.

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