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    Koizumi gets emotional in Brazil

    Koizumi gets emotional in Brazil

    SAO PAULO, Brazil — Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi broke down in tears Wednesday as he recounted an enthusiastic encounter with descendants of Japanese immigrants a day earlier. Koizumi began his speech to an audience of Japanese-Brazilians by saying "Bon Dia" (Good morning) and "Obrigado" (Thank you) in Portuguese.

    Saying one of his closest cousins is living in Brazil, the Japanese leader said Brazil is "the closest to my heart. All the people who have persevered under different weather, language, food and customs welcomed the prime minister of Japan," Koizumi recalled, pausing for a moment to wipe his tears. (Kyodo News)

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    politics have feelings too?

    Is he faking or what?

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    ah...a man with feelings!
    Now I know Koizumi is not "all tough-guy."
    I guess Brazil and Japan have had a special connection always, because of many Japanese Brazilians in Brazil, especially Sao Paulo....wonderful city...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_apollo7
    ah...a man with feelings!
    Now I know Koizumi is not "all tough-guy."
    I guess Brazil and Japan have had a special connection always, because of many Japanese Brazilians in Brazil, especially Sao Paulo....wonderful city...
    Sorry for my ignorance but how come thre are many Japanese Brazilians in Brazil?

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    Red face We're communicating feelings !

    Quote Originally Posted by Lacan
    Is he faking or what?
    Yep, obviously.
    I hate to see an man cry with all the affected emotions. Gives me the goose bumps.
    What incredible release from all the tension !
    Last edited by lexico; May 22, 2005 at 20:59.
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    Why is that there are so many Japanese in Brazil ? Any specific reasons

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    ahh, so sweet... a priminister who can either fake his feelings really well, or actually show them... thats great... in, infact, I'm gonna cry now t--
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo
    Why is that there are so many Japanese in Brazil ? Any specific reasons
    Brazil received more Japanese immigrants than other Latin American countries. Between 1,300,000 and 1,500,000 people of Japanese origin live in Brazil.

    The first Japanese immigrants to Brazil were those who went in 1908.
    When Brazil lacked workforces for farms, especially for coffee, and received European and Japanese immigrants to cover such needs.
    Brazil saw the Japanese as a promising provider of workforce, which matched Japanese government's intention to enlarge its presence in the world, and many Japanese families wanted to have a prosperous life abroad. Thousands of Japanese farmers wanted to go to Brazil to get rid of the poverty and make some money by working arduously for a couple of years, like guest-workers. More and more Japanese workers set out toward Sao Paulo whose number reached 20,686 between 1918 and 1925.

    Later, the Japanese farmers became more and more independent, having their own crops etc..

    Now the Japanese are 4th generation in Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_apollo7 View Post
    Brazil received more Japanese immigrants than other Latin American countries. Between 1,300,000 and 1,500,000 people of Japanese origin live in Brazil.
    The first Japanese immigrants to Brazil were those who went in 1908.
    When Brazil lacked workforces for farms, especially for coffee, and received European and Japanese immigrants to cover such needs.
    Brazil saw the Japanese as a promising provider of workforce, which matched Japanese government's intention to enlarge its presence in the world, and many Japanese families wanted to have a prosperous life abroad. Thousands of Japanese farmers wanted to go to Brazil to get rid of the poverty and make some money by working arduously for a couple of years, like guest-workers. More and more Japanese workers set out toward Sao Paulo whose number reached 20,686 between 1918 and 1925.
    Later, the Japanese farmers became more and more independent, having their own crops etc..
    Now the Japanese are 4th generation in Brazil.

    Wow! 4th generation! But wouldn't they intermarry by then? How are Japanese men accepted as husbands by the latino Brazillian women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bexchurnside View Post
    Wow! 4th generation! But wouldn't they intermarry by then? How are Japanese men accepted as husbands by the latino Brazillian women?
    If you have Japanese nationality, and unlike many American Nikkei, have nationality even up to 4th generation unlike the US or Canada, since Japan is a developed nation and Brazil is not. Those with passports repatriating to Japan claiming to be Japanese at the work place get a little tougher time as they are told it is their duty as a Japanese national to learn the actual language to full fluency even more so than the Nikkei non Japanese Brazilians.

    I love it, at least as a full blooded caucasian, they only say Sugoi, and tell me how wonderful my Japanese is. Maybe I will go to Japan and if I told some Japanese that if I would care to learn it, they have no excuse not to, perhaps like this:

    ‚±‚ηI“؏`I‘‚­“O’κ“I‚Ι“ϊ–{Œκ‚πŠw‚Τ‚Χ‚«‚ΎI‚±‚Μ”’ l‚Μ•ϋ‚Ε‚ΰ‹M•ϋ’B‚ζ‚θ‚ΰ”ς‚Ρ‚Κ‚’‚Δ“ϊ–{Œκ‚ͺγŽθ‚ΎI‚± ‚ηI“ϊ–{l‚Ύ‚λ‚€A“ϊ–{ŒκK‚ν‚Θ‚’‚Ζ’p‚Έ‚©‚΅‚’‚ΌI

    Butajiru, is the derogatory term used in Japan against Brazillian Nikkei workers there. Maybe they will give me work there in the factories to get them fired up to learn Japanese seeing some caucasian like me is learning it.

    When I see Japanese who don't speak Japanese and are nationals of that country, I love bugging them by saying ‰½‚Ε“ϊ–{l‚Θ‚Μ‚Ι“ϊ–{Œκ‚ͺ‚ ‚ρ‚ά‚θo—ˆ‚Θ‚’‚́B And the occasional time I do lose, there really is no glory for them, as I can say, “–‚½‚θ‘O‚Ύ‚λAŽ„‚ΝŠΫX”’l‚Ύ‚ΰB

    I am having much fun at getting some insights into understanding Japanese mentality and playing with their heads a little.

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    jonathancameron, I do believe you've started having conversations with yourself again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Brazil received more Japanese immigrants than other Latin American countries. Between 1,300,000 and 1,500,000 people of Japanese origin live in Brazil.
    The first Japanese immigrants to Brazil were those who went in 1908.
    When Brazil lacked workforces for farms, especially for coffee, and received European and Japanese immigrants to cover such needs.
    Brazil saw the Japanese as a promising provider of workforce, which matched Japanese government's intention to enlarge its presence in the world, and many Japanese families wanted to have a prosperous life abroad. Thousands of Japanese farmers wanted to go to Brazil to get rid of the poverty and make some money by working arduously for a couple of years, like guest-workers. More and more Japanese workers set out toward Sao Paulo whose number reached 20,686 between 1918 and 1925.
    Later, the Japanese farmers became more and more independent, having their own crops etc..
    Now the Japanese are 4th generation in Brazil.
    awesome. talk about a melting pot down there.

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    Brazil is "the closest to my heart. All the people who have persevered under different weather, language, food and customs welcomed the prime minister of Japan," Koizumi recalled, pausing for a moment to wipe his tears.
    I found this nice song
    http://www.nikkeyshimbun.com.br/imag...onesa16bit.mp3


    http://www.nikkeyshimbun.com.br/toku...lumn-yumi.html

    Btw Mr.Juniti saito became a supreme commander of brasilian air force(Tenente Brigadeiro-do-Ar e Comandante da Aeronautica)
    http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/yoshijiwada/23124185.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post

    The first Japanese immigrants to Brazil were those who went in 1908.

    2005 NHK television drama ハルとナツ ( Haru e Natsu ) retold 1 such journey.

    * In 1934, Haru and her family emigrated from Hokkaido to Brazil.

    http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Haru_to_Natsu

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    this is so interesting though it is sad
    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8B%...81%A1%E7%B5%84
    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%87%...80%A3%E7%9B%9F
    because there was no information...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo
    Why is that there are so many Japanese in Brazil ? Any specific reasons

    why are there so many brazilians in brazil????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo
    why are there so many Japanese in brazil ? Any specific reason ?
    Wikipedia says, in Japanese-Brazilian;

    Brazil is the Latin American country that has received the most ethnic Japanese immigrants, as well as the host country of the largest Japanese community outside Japan (numbering between 1.3 and 1.5 million). The first Japanese immigrants (mostly farmers) came to Brazil in 1908 on the Kasato Maru from the Japanese port of Kobe, moving to Brazil in search of better life conditions. Many of them (along with Chinese immigrants) ended up as laborers on coffee farms. At the time, Brazil was experiencing a shortage of farm workers and turned to European immigrants and then to an influx of Japanese workers to satisfy this demand. Some ethnic Japanese came from neighboring Spanish-speaking countries.
    Some Japanese also went to Brazil from Macau in 1999, when Portugal returned the Asian colony to mainland China. These Japanese are descendants of Japanese Catholic refugees expelled by shoguns, and they can also speak Portuguese and its creole — Patuá — but speak Cantonese Chinese as an additional language rather than Japanese.
    Last edited by lexico; Aug 4, 2005 at 01:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexico
    Wikipedia says, in Japanese-Brazilian;
    Just wondering why you picked up the 2nd quotation.

    There must be Japanese offsprings in Macao, however more than 300 years ago... well, some of them might emigrate to Brasil as Japanese...
    But had Portugese government been too cruel to accept the religious J refugees as citizens? Or have Japanese offsprings refused to assimilate to local communities there for such a long time?

    After visiting my friends and talking to their parents and grandparents there, I'm pleased to say that I can share the Koizumi's feeling.
    I'm sure that all Asian incl., Japanese can learn much from them for their diligence.

    Interesting enough, there still remain some nikkei communities where people hold more J tradtions/values, but Liberdade in Sao Paulo, a well-known nikkei town with a shinto torii gate, is not the Japantown anymore.

    It might be a good idea to browse what sort of person add the articles there. IP addresses doesn't tell everything, I know.

    I'd really love to help the nihon matsuri in Sao Paulo soon again.

    tchau, tchau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipokun
    Just wondering why you picked up the 2nd quotation.
    The first quote was more or less parallel to Miss_Apollo's, with some different details, but the second seemed to be new info that could be added to the history of Japanese-Brazilians.
    There must be Japanese offsprings in Macao, however more than 300 years ago... well, some of them might emigrate to Brasil as Japanese...
    But had Portugese government been too cruel to accept the religious J refugees as citizens? Or have Japanese offsprings refused to assimilate to local communities there for such a long time ?
    I wish I knew the details of it. Acc. to Wiki again on Macau;
    The Macau Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, iChinese:’†‰Ψl–―‹€˜aš ΰS–ε“Α•Κs­™½j short form Macau or Macao (short form of Chinese: ΰS–εCalso informally known as "”nŒπ") (see Names), is a small territory on the southern coast of China. It is 70 km southwest of Hong Kong and 145 km from Guangzhou. It was the oldest European colony in China, dating back to the 16th century. The Portuguese government transferred sovereignty over Macau to the People's Republic of China in 1999, and it is now run as a Special Administrative Region of the PRC. Residents of Macau mostly speak Cantonese natively; Mandarin Chinese, Portuguese, and English are also spoken.

    Broadly, Macanese refers to all permanent inhabitants of Macau. But narrowly, it refers to an ethnic group in Macau originating from Portuguese descent, usually mixed with Chinese blood.
    The 1999 immigration to Brazil must have been prompted by the reversion of Macau to the PRC. Possibly for similar reasons that some Hong Kong residents sought immigration to Taiwan, Canada, the UK, or the US ? Your point on retaining Japanese identity for 300 yrs is interesting indeed; some parallel instances could be the Korean communities of porecelain craftsmen in Japan who were abducted in the two Choson-Nippon Wars of 1592 and 1597 who retained their Korean identity; another would be the Hakkas (Kejia ‹q‰Ζ) who remained distinct from the aborigines of Southern China even after 1 1/2 millenia.
    Demographics

    Considered as a "dependency", Macau is the most densely populated of the countries/dependencies in the world.

    Macau's population is 95% Chinese, primarily Cantonese and some Hakka, both from nearby Guangdong Province. The remainder are of Portuguese or mixed Chinese-Portuguese ancestry, or the so-called Macanese. Some Japanese, including descendants of Japanese Catholics who were expelled by shoguns, also live in Macau. The official languages are Portuguese and Chinese. Though the residents commonly speak Cantonese, both Cantonese and Mandarin are de facto official. English is spoken in tourist areas. Macanese or Patuá, an ancient Portuguese based dialect, is almost extinct.
    If this paragraph can be taken verbatim, not all Macanese of Japanese descent went to Brazil, but some chose to remain.
    After visiting my friends and talking to their parents and grandparents there, I'm pleased to say that I can share the Koizumi's feeling.
    I'm sure that all Asian incl., Japanese can learn much from them for their diligence.
    I agree; many Asians left their homes in the early 1900's to work in the plantations. Many suffered from inequality and discrimination, but there were also many who worked hard to establish their families and careers in their new environments. Although Mr. Koizumi might not be in the most favorable position to speak for all Asian immigrants to the New World, he is surely entitled to represent the Japanese people's feelings to share with Japanese-Brazilians.
    Interesting enough, there still remain some nikkei communities where people hold more J tradtions/values, but Liberdade in Sao Paulo, a well-known nikkei town with a shinto torii gate, is not the Japantown anymore...I'd really love to help the nihon matsuri in Sao Paulo soon again.
    Would that mean Japanese-Brazillians became more integrated into Brazilian society ? How did this Japantown cease to exist ?
    It might be a good idea to browse what sort of person add the articles there. IP addresses doesn't tell everything, I know.
    Is talking about the migration of Japanese Catholics under shogunate persecution considered inflammatory ? I don't think anyone is blaming the shogun for expelling them. If certain citizens fled persecution and went to Macau 300 yrs ago, are they still considered "traitors" for abandoning the homeland as they might have been treated 100 yrs ago ?
    Last edited by lexico; Aug 4, 2005 at 15:40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipokun View Post
    Just wondering why you picked up the 2nd quotation.
    There must be Japanese offsprings in Macao, however more than 300 years ago... well, some of them might emigrate to Brasil as Japanese...
    But had Portugese government been too cruel to accept the religious J refugees as citizens? Or have Japanese offsprings refused to assimilate to local communities there for such a long time?

    After visiting my friends and talking to their parents and grandparents there, I'm pleased to say that I can share the Koizumi's feeling.
    I'm sure that all Asian incl., Japanese can learn much from them for their diligence.
    Interesting enough, there still remain some nikkei communities where people hold more J tradtions/values, but Liberdade in Sao Paulo, a well-known nikkei town with a shinto torii gate, is not the Japantown anymore.
    It might be a good idea to browse what sort of person add the articles there. IP addresses doesn't tell everything, I know.
    I'd really love to help the nihon matsuri in Sao Paulo soon again.
    tchau, tchau.
    You know, if Brazil is a third world country or a second world one, and Japan is the first world one, why wouldnt all Japanese choose to retain their nationality through the lex sanguinis line? Being Japanese nationals, there is no way they can halt any of them from making ten times their wages, and can even lobby more rights in Shizuoka, Hamamatsu.

    A Japanese nissei or sansei who is British, Canadian or American renouncing their nationalities I could understand as a perfectly normal situation, but Brazil is not exactly economically even. If they want to access Japan for migration, as they have actually done, why not just keep it rather than worrying about a Nikkeijin visa? To travel to USA or any other developed country, using a Brazilian passport is not favorable to a Japanese one, although the US, Canadian, or British passport offers every advantage over the Japanese one, if not equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo View Post
    Why is that there are so many Japanese in Brazil ? Any specific reasons
    What the hell people think Brazil is? A bunch of Mexican drug-dealers dancing Samba and playing football? Tsk.

    Brazil has more people of Japanese descent than USA, in case people here didn't know.

    The "Japantown" mentioned earlier is a Japanese-styled neighborhood in São Paulo. You can still hear people speaking Japanese in the streets. Most of the stores there have the products names in Japanese and Portuguese. You can find J-dramas, J-music, action figures, animes, manga, high-tech imported products being sold there.

    In 2008 Brazil is commemorating 100 years of Japanese immigration, and there are being a lot events in the whole country, all-year long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo
    Koizumi gets emotional in Brazil

    Japanese-Brazilians by saying "Bon Dia" (Good morning) and "Obrigado" (Thank you) in Portuguese.
    In portuguese it writes with M. Bom Dia.

    I΄ve seen that Koizumi meet with Lula (president here) and they seemed in pretty agreement with many subjects.

    About Sao Paulo , I love the city (one of my favorites in this world,) even with all the problems. The nikkei girls from there are soooooo cute!

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    Thank you miss apollo, I apreciate you taking time to explain it to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo
    Thank you miss apollo, I apreciate you taking time to explain it to me
    Oh! You are welcome Duo.. Sao Paulo is a nice city to move to I guess also because of the climate!!!

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