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i do believe that chinese people are peaceful and obedient in general.. but there are tons of "chinese threat/bully" all over the media makes me doubt, are those reporters still live in the era of cold war (most of them surely grow up during the cold war), and can't get out of their past...
They are humans.. and honestly i wouldnt say they are anymore or anyless aggressive or peaceful then anyone else ...
Just my uneducated answer though, i couldnt back it up if i tried :D
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Originally Posted by Tsukiyono
You're right. In fact I don't even see the whole point of the question.:souka:
Is ice cream chocolate or vanilla??
what examples are you referring to, mingo? Why would you characterize an entire race/nation of people based on a few news stories?
more like cold or hot.. just like japanese were considered quite aggressive to their neighbours before world war IIQuote:
Originally Posted by Brooker
how about personal experience, with the culture heavily influence by Confusism,taoism and buddism, chinese tender to keep what it is instead of expanding ..Quote:
Originally Posted by nice gaijin
I'm more concerned with the "tons" of news stories you mentioned in your first post. Could you give us an example at least, because I have not heard any of these stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by mingo
And while we're at it, what does that have to do with the cold war?
Well if thats the kind of experience you want, then i would be more then happy to go find about 4.5 billion articles about americans either bullying other americans/foreigners/frogs/dogs/animals/etc.... then we can see if that would make americans the most aggressiva as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mingo
Expansionism isnt something you could really equate with a race to call them aggressive, as EVERY country or empire in the past has been guilty of it. European coutries have been particulary bad about it.Quote:
more like cold or hot.. just like japanese were considered quite aggressive to their neighbours before world war II
If you go to any sort of crime to see who is aggressive more then the other, you would have to take into account the population of the place as well. Sure you are going to hear tons about violence on the news. (depending where you live), but you also got to take into account there are what.. 1.3billion people in the country. If the US was to jump to that size, it would have to doubles its population about 6 times.
Ive got personal experience that americans can be most aggressive. But i havent met someone from all the different nationalities in order to prove that fact, and even then, i would have to meet EVERYONE in that nationality for me to prove it right or wrong.
If you want to figure out why people can be cruel to ya, then at least here in the states, there are several mitigating factors towards it. First and foremost, Racism. Alot of americans are still racist weather they like to say it or not, i made a nice long rant about it before.... but americans arent the only people racist in this countries, the minorities can also be quite the racist as well.
Social class is another thing that can have people acting different and cruel around you. If you are poor and live in a rich neighborhood, you will be an outsider. You arent the cream of the crop and are therefore (generally not always) treated as almost subhuman, treated with the sort of disdain usually saved for the bad family pet who has just peed in the house.
Jealousy is another nice one, the person being cruel could in fact be jealous of your ability, and this could in fact be the cause of some of the problems.
more likely its all three.
But with americans killing off record numbers every year, (and its all being reported on the news, creating a nice sense of fear in alot of people). I would be willing to bet most people would consider americans to be the most aggressive, and while i have personal experience, i probably wouldnt even agree with that. As i said, we are all human beings, therefore, there will always be a bad streak in us.
They are peaceful only IF you are aggressive. They are very aggressive if you are peaceful.
finally i can see your point from your first pointless question....(?)Quote:
Originally Posted by mingo
or you should complete your thread title like adding...:
"are chinese people peaceful or aggressive comparing to japanese ?" right ?
I feel that this kind of answer is even less thoughtful than the OP's question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukiyono
I believe that the question was "Where does the 'average' personality of Chinese people stand in the world in regard to aggressivity/peacefulness". In other words, if you were assigned the job to scour the world and make a giant survey about the cultural predispositions of people by country, where would the Chinese rank on the aggressivity scale ?
Personality I feel that Chinese people, like other East Asians, are generically less disposed to being "aggressive", because Mongoloid people have lower testosterone levels. They are thus more "feminine" (but that can mean also more emotional, which is sometimes confused for aggresivity).
BUT, poverty an greed generally increases the risk of (physically) aggressive behaviour among humans, and mainland China is still a developing country. That is why Chinese immigrants in Japan have a higher crime rate than average, as they are poorer and thus more likely to steal or live from illegal activities, and most of them only came to Japan to make money.
China, like other East Asian countries, can be very vocal (which make it look aggressive), but its citizens are probably less naturally warlike than in most of the world. Compared to similarily developed countries outside East Asia, I find that China is a relativily peaceful and organised place. Given its huge population and high population density in the East, it is fairly amazing how safe China can be.
Wow I had never heard that before. Could you provide a link to the study or medical journal you learned this from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maciamo
Do you really need a stuy to prove that Mongolid people have lower testosterone levels ? It is obvious from Mongoloid men's physical traits (less muscular, even after bodybuilding), lower hairiness, weaker body odour, and even the more feminine characteristics of East Asian cultures in general (more group-oriented, conscensus-based, avoid directness and confrontation, etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by nice gaijin
It is just a simple question, "Are all Chinese Ah Q?"
The answer should be negative, but we're all Ah Q, no matter how individualistic, some claim, Europeans or Belgians are.
This kind of generalization on basis of race has its origin in ole theories wich were keenly used by the Nazi's in Europe. However since the end of WWII hardly any scientist in Europe have been willing to devote their time and energy to prove these theories wrong. There are however scientist here and there, particularly in India, who continue to develop justifications for the dominance of certain races and castes. In general the scientific community rejects these ideas. In general you can say that males have more testerone than women. To brand chinese and japanese in general as feminine is nonsense which has more to do with the old colonial european agressive "masculine" dominance. During the US occupation of Japan the former quite "masculine" enemy - the japanese (described as savage soldiers who would rater die with honour that beeing captured - true samurai style)became almost overnight subserviant and feminine. The american obsession with depicting japanese as uniqely feminine is most prominently repressented by the facination of geishas and the romantisised prositutes who served - and continue to serve - the US troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maciamo
Well, yes. I would like to see some empirical evidence instead of just an opinion based on personal observation. It may very well be true, but I'm less likely to accept it without any sort of scientific study behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maciamo
And those last items in your list are culturally transmitted behaviors. Several East Asians I know who were adopted by western families are extremely individual, stubborn and direct.
The by Maciamo claimed difference in testosterone levels among Caucasian and mongoloid men prompted me to make some google seaches on testosterone, mongoloid, caucasian etc. It was very interesting: many of the sites found were hosted by various american racist groups, white supremacy groups and some ressearchers who are into genetics. Many of them cited the ressearch made by J. Philippe Rushton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maciamo
Rushton has been associated with American Renaissance, a white nationalist monthly magazine. He has also written articles for VDARE, a right-wing anti-immigrant website.
Many ressearchers have tried to prove many of his racist theories wrong.
This one deals with the issue of testosterone:
"Comparative rates of androgen production and metabolism in Caucasian and Chinese subjects". Santner SJ, Albertson B, Zhang GY, Zhang GH, Santulli M, Wang C, Demers LM, Shackleton C, Santen RJ, (Department of Medicine, Pennsylvania State University, Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, Hershey 17033, USA).
"To distinguish genetic from environmental/dietary factors as a cause of these differences, we compared Chinese men living in Pennsylvania and a similar group living in Beijing, China. We detected a reduction in testosterone production rates and total plasma testosterone and sex hormone-binding levels, but not in testosterone MCRs in Beijing Chinese as a opposed to those living in Pennsylvania. Comparing Pennsylvania Chinese with their Caucasian counterparts, we detected no significant differences in total testosterone, free and weakly bound testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin levels, and testosterone production rates. Taken together, these studies suggest that environmental/dietary, but not genetic, factors influence androgen production and explain the differences between Caucasian and Chinese men."
Incredible that noodles after having visited China once has become able to pass such a sweeping judgement of more one billion people.Quote:
Originally Posted by noodles
For someone who only joined our forum one hour ago I am amazed. I think you are meerely trying to bait some chinese to argue with you.
I think you are confused. The Nazis based everything on the superiority of the Germanic race. They may have used 19th-century pseudo-scientific racial classifications based on skull shape, but they could not have used testosterone as a factor to prove the superiority of the white race (let alone "Germanic"), because it Negroid people have higher testosterone levels than Caucasoid people, who in turn have higher level than Mongoloid peolpe. So, no matter whether it is racially "better" to have higher or lower testosterone levels, Caucasoid/white people would be between Negroid and Mongoloid people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Han Chan
I have spent 5 months in India and learnt a lot about Indian culture and especially how to recognise people's caste by looks only, and I can tell you that there is no hard physical evidence distiguishing caste. Historically, the white Aryan invadors created the caste system to control the more numerous dark-skinned indigenous Dravidian people. However : 1) there has been intermarriages over the millenia, and 2) people from Southern India are almost purely Dravidian, even those belonging to higher castes. So there are dark-skin Brahmins too. Maybe you should at least check your information on the Net before making such wild and irresponsible statements.Quote:
There are however scientist here and there, particularly in India, who continue to develop justifications for the dominance of certain races and castes.
Talk about nonsense ! Do you have any reliable sources for that ? I have read many books on Japanese culture, and many Japanologists consider Japanese culture (or East Asian cultures in general) to show feminine characteristics. If it was about the "colonial european agressive masculine dominance", then the Arabs and Black Africans would be on the top of the scale and should have colonised us all. :blush:Quote:
In general the scientific community rejects these ideas. In general you can say that males have more testerone than women. To brand chinese and japanese in general as feminine is nonsense which has more to do with the old colonial european agressive "masculine" dominance.
Colonisation has little to do with race or testosterone. It has more to do with better military technology, greed, and/or a feeling of religious/moral obligation to "civilise" the infidels/savages. China or Japan could not have colonised the world the way Europeans did because they lacked an intolerant proselytising religion, and to a lesser extent also lacked the guns and ships required for colonisation.
So for you being "savage" or "dying for the emperor" are masculine traits. :okashii: I am not sure I know so many masculine men after all. :blush:Quote:
During the US occupation of Japan the former quite "masculine" enemy - the japanese (described as savage soldiers who would rater die with honour that beeing captured - true samurai style)became almost overnight subserviant and feminine.
This image is totally foreign to me as a Belgian. I first heard it on this forum, I believe. Btw, are you a Dane or an American ? Didn't you say you served in the US army or something ?Quote:
The american obsession with depicting japanese as uniqely feminine is most prominently repressented by the facination of geishas and the romantisised prositutes who served - and continue to serve - the US troops.
You can find wahtever you want on the Internet. I found a site that claimed that testosterone was discovered in the 1940's in the USA, and another that says it was in the 1950's. In either case that would "prove" that the Nazi could not have used it, as they had no knowledge of it (Hitler wrote his theories in the 1930's).Quote:
Originally Posted by Han Chan
This also proves that testosterone levels are influenced by the environment, which is obvious. Show a man porn all day during a week, and another one documentaries about wars, and you will see that the first one will have higher testosterone levels in his blood.Quote:
"To distinguish genetic from environmental/dietary factors as a cause of these differences, we compared Chinese men living in Pennsylvania and a similar group living in Beijing, China. We detected a reduction in testosterone production rates and total plasma testosterone and sex hormone-binding levels, but not in testosterone MCRs in Beijing Chinese as a opposed to those living in Pennsylvania. Comparing Pennsylvania Chinese with their Caucasian counterparts, we detected no significant differences in total testosterone, free and weakly bound testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin levels, and testosterone production rates. Taken together, these studies suggest that environmental/dietary, but not genetic, factors influence androgen production and explain the differences between Caucasian and Chinese men."
Likewise studies have also shown that some kind of food influence the hormonal levels (we had an article on this forum about fast-food increasing sex-drive). This does not deny that in the same environment and with a similar lifestyle and diet, the testosterone levels will in average (among thousands of people) be highest in Negroids, then Caucasoids, then Mongloids. There have been very serious and reputable studies about this.
Your article somehow proves my point, because it says that environmental/dietary factors also influence testosterone levels, and East Asian societies do have a more similar diet (and probably environment too) compared to each others than compared to the rest of the world.
You are visibly neither a scientist nor a sociologist, and you are making this thread go seriously offtopic, so I will ask you to stop this uselss debate here.
Actually I am a Social Anthropologist and have been dealing seriously with these issues for more than 20 years now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maciamo
Personally I have experienced one chinese man in Singapore who was drunk and suddenly jumped up and tried to stab one of his drinking companions. However, apart from this one very agressive man, I have newer personally experienced any agressive chinese. It is to my mind not fair to label any nationality as agressive, and certainly not the chinese. This kind of negative labels are usually used when people try to dehumanise people who are seen as enemies.