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Maciamo
Sep 11, 2002, 19:49
What do you think about this ? Newsweek published an article about how libertine Japanese youth really is. It's mind-boggling when you see the little precaution they take and how quickly AIDS could spread in this reputedly HIV safe country.
Dangerous Liaisons (http://www.msnbc.com/news/805100.asp)


According to a joint study by the University of California San Francisco and Hiroshima University, of 602 teens (age 15 to 19) surveyed in the Shibuya section of Tokyo recently, 43 percent said they keep five or more sex friends at a time. In a similar survey of 16-year-olds in two rural prefectures, 20 percent of boys and 18 percent of girls said they have at least five sex partners. gTo many young Japanese people, everything about sex is casual,h says Masako Ono-Kihara, a public-health expert at Hiroshima University School of Medicine. gGirls now share their boyfriends like theyfd share chips. Everyonefs hand is in the bag.h



gCondoms are hard to sell in Japan right now because young adults refuse to use them,h

moyashi
Sep 12, 2002, 03:07
Maybe, they should put a condom inside a chocolate toy. You could have tanks, bunnies, cats, fish, just like all the other miniture toy thingys that are so popular now.

thomas
Sep 12, 2002, 05:56
I'd like to know more about how J-medicare treats HIV-positive.

moyashi
Sep 12, 2002, 13:37
So would I.

A friend died of Aids here in Japan. His final diaognosis was pnuemonia so that is what he officially died of. It's standard practice to use the "final" cause of death to use for news and such.

I don't know where he contracted though. Possibly in the US.

I didn't know he was positive until I saw the red bands at his funeral and the large amount of young men that clued me in.

So, sorry I don't know more than what I wrote above.

thomas
Sep 12, 2002, 22:46
It's still a social stigma, not only in Japan...
:o

Maciamo
Sep 12, 2002, 23:18
Yesterday, I saw a girl getting off the train at Roppongi. Her arms were so thin it couldn't be natural. It's probably AIDS. That's the first time I notice someone like this (in Japan).

thomas
Sep 12, 2002, 23:46
Hm, could also be anorexia, cancer or a whole lot of other nice diseases. Ugh, I could never study medicine...

moyashi
Sep 13, 2002, 04:22
Were they skinny or skinny boney?

I've seen women who I thought would snap like a twig if the wind blew too strang before ...

Problem is that not many take the test.

thomas
Sep 13, 2002, 06:07
I was tested in the army. It's was a bit scary, although I haven't indulged in any risky adventures. Some less scrupulous friends of mine have postponed their tests for years.

moyashi
Sep 14, 2002, 00:06
@ risky adventures

;)

deborah gormley
Sep 16, 2002, 06:56
I think that the younger generation of the entire world treats sex as "the normal thing to do" and its become a way of life for them, the contraction of aids is a mere side effect, and is becoming more and more exceptable, where as us jiji's(hehe)find this totally unbeleivable that young people who par-take in these activities actually have no conscience and take no precautions against this real killer! its really there and its really a killer!:bow:

Maciamo
Sep 16, 2002, 11:28
Debs, I believe that young Westerners are more conscious of the risks they take. As often, Japanese tend not to think to much about their responsibilities (cf. absent fathers, selfish & irresponsible politicians, teen prostitution, salarymen sex-trips to Bangkok, irresponsible bank/company managers that put the whole economy in jeopardy, just to cite a few).

moyashi
Sep 17, 2002, 00:41
here, here!

Debs sorry you're a "baba" not a jiji. Jiji is for us men ;)

Let's not forget the sell your panties and bras shops! New type of shop have a magic mirror where the freak can pick his girl. Then they go to a room where she drops here panties in front of the freak. This is like a proof of purchase and freshness you might say.
I saw on a TV show:
panties $80
bra $90
spit $70
pee $80

hmmm, not bad for a few minutes of waiting and a few minutes with a freak. Nothing was mentioned about pictures. That might be against the law or maybe that freak didn't want to spend more money.

deborah gormley
Sep 17, 2002, 01:00
auck!! now thats just plain sick!:shock: lol those poor men, lol, whats wrong with there heads:o

@ Baba, thats great, because here a "jiji" is something other than an old fart, (hehe):bow: Baba sounds so much nicer! lol:clap:

moyashi
Sep 17, 2002, 02:09
Glad you think so ;)

Here's something a friend and I were discussing. Apparently during some meeting with leaders from around the world that gathered in Osaka (lol ... don't know what or when) the sex shops were shut down. During that time Rape spiked and fell off after the shops were re-opened.

So, I guess that the services that service these weirdos do have a benefit.

hmmm ...

deborah gormley
Sep 17, 2002, 05:33
hmmm suppose you are right, some-one has to service the weirdos,and if they are paying for it, then some poor girl is being left alone and without harm:bow:

I just looked over your post again moyashi and it that spit as in from the mouth, and pee as in hmmm dont know how to phrase that one lol, but pee as we all know it?:confused: I'v just thought on the laungage difference, and whats obvious to you just might mean something different to me, just curious :bow:

moyashi
Sep 17, 2002, 09:45
spit, yes, from the mouth. Just wonder if goobbers are sold too? (you know the ones you hack up from the throat)

pee, hmm, we also say "number 1" or urine if you're at the hospital. If you like [oshiko or shiko] in Japanese.

How do you say them? Wondering :)

thomas
Sep 18, 2002, 05:25
From the news:

Kanagawa cop held for looking up woman's skirt

=> http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=2&id=230559

Read the comments. :)

deborah gormley
Sep 18, 2002, 08:01
lol, yes we also refer to pee as No1 ect, there are also more words discribing No1's here, piss, leak, slash, and many more lol:blush: but to pay for this fluid is is so unbelievable:bow:

I just cant believe it:D

Olivia
Sep 19, 2002, 00:08
@aids
another reason for which japanese people don't worry about aids probably is because they believe physicians and scientists will find the cure for it, in short term. i've seen such opinions, not only once, but many times...

@pee
gosh, that's so grosse! they really are some weirdos, perverts...

@cop
he's a 50-year-old 'jiji', for Christ sake... what is wrong about these people???

moyashi
Sep 20, 2002, 01:28
@ cops
A lot are getting arrested recently. Funny that they're doing something at all. My father-in-law was just saying tonight while drunk that most cops don't do squat.
And he's a Civil Servant!

What's wrong? There wives neglect them ;)

@ pee
slash? lol that's a new one for me. I'm orginally a New Yorker so I've got a great repetoire. ;)

Yeah! me and somebody on that thread that Thomas posted saw the same show.

@ aids
hmmm ... probably much more simple. I'm clean and the guy is clean. No worries.

deborah gormley
Sep 23, 2002, 06:54
@ cop lol those remarks are brill:bow:

moyashi
Sep 24, 2002, 03:32
@ aids
Here you go. Just tonight I was watching a TV drama and the main girl character has aids, sleeps around with anybody but with her boyfriend mentions that she can't have non-protected sex (she said "raw" though) but yet nothing in the story mentioning that this is wrong or what not. The boyfriend was more put off by her adventures in porn and promiscious life style ;)

deborah gormley
Sep 24, 2002, 08:04
wow!! thats scary stuff, I hope that this drama does not reflect real life, if so then a girl who does such a thing should be taken up on charges of wilful neglect of a deadly virus or something at least, attempted murder sounds a bit strong, but thats what it boils down too, (I think):bow:

moyashi
Sep 24, 2002, 10:06
hmmm, attempted murder would be good but the cops wouldn't prosecute since their too busy slurping their ramen ;)

thomas
Sep 26, 2002, 03:37
Oh, btw, is it true that J-cops don't wear name tags?

deborah gormley
Sep 26, 2002, 07:17
@
J-cops don't wear name tags? . Do they wear a serial number on thier shoulder or jacket ect? There should be away to identify an individual cop :confused: (I would like to think so anyway):bow:

moyashi
Sep 26, 2002, 14:07
I haven't seen any yet, and they get pissed when you demand to see some type of identification.

deborah gormley
Sep 26, 2002, 22:01
lolol well I'd feel at home there then :emblaugh: :emblaugh: ooppps off the thread again,hehe:clap:

moyashi
Sep 26, 2002, 23:10
:eek:

Took me a second but I get it now. At least with the cops they'd get pissed but at least cough up their information.

deborah gormley
Sep 27, 2002, 05:48
I think all cops are reluctant to give out information, and serial numbers ect on jackets are a great way of finding the cop if there is a reason to do so,I mean if they have got nasty or down right sarcastic, just memorise the number and place a complaint at the nearest station, but all cops should have some kind of ID on sight, be it a name tag or number, if not for our safety then for thier own, I'm sure its not a nice job, and I suppose somebody has to do it:bow:

moyashi
Sep 28, 2002, 00:51
Yeah, it has to be a ****** job. Everybody hates you.

I agree that since they are in a position of power that they should have their ID in sight.

cicatriz esp
Aug 14, 2005, 10:17
Sorry to drag this thread back up, but i was just chatting with a japanese female friend about a statistic i just read in a Japanese magazine called Glitter:

nariko: if i was a guy, i affraid about HIV ahaha
nariko: they need check
sixshot8: seriously
sixshot8: i just read that 1 in 10 japanese girls younger than 25 has an STD
sixshot8: it's pretty crazy
nariko: soory what is std
nariko: sorry
sixshot8: sexually transmitted disease
nariko: oh ok
sixshot8: like HIV, gonnorhea, syphilis
nariko: specially young people in japan, they have relationships with many guys. so... no more yamatonadeshiko in japan. so you could know about it good
sixshot8: what is yamatonadeshiko?
nariko: many american guys misunderstand about japanese girls.
nariko: not like a girl from philipin of taiwan
sixshot8: yes i know
nariko: or
nariko: quite different now
nariko: im so sorry for american guys
nariko: ahaha
sixshot8: it sucks
nariko: so.... its very difficult to find yamatonadeshiko in japan
sixshot8: but what is that?
nariko: its very difficult to exprain. what do you think japanese girl? what are you expect tham?
nariko: them\
sixshot8: i will ask my friend to translate that
sixshot8: no ... i know they are more "american" than american girls now hahaha
nariko: yes they like imitate american women.
sixshot8: but most american women are not like that
nariko: and in korea, they imitate japanese
sixshot8: well, some americans are
nariko: yes i know, maybe they misunderstand
sixshot8: but i havent run into this here, nearly as much as with japanese girls
nariko: thailand or philipins girl is better
nariko: japanese..... i dont want to recommend
nariko: sorry im japanese but...
sixshot8: yeah , i learned this the hard way


Now, the last thing I want to do is paint Japanese girls with a broad brush (I'll leave that to my Japanese friends). I have of course met exceptions to this rule. But this is a phenomenon that i've run into like a brick wall in the past.

Can anyone translate yamatonadeshiko?

Maciamo
Aug 14, 2005, 20:12
Can anyone translate yamatonadeshiko?

Apparently, Yamato Nadeshiko (Perfect Woman) (http://jdorama.com/drama.505.htm) is the name of a Japanese "dorama" (TV series).

nurizeko
Aug 14, 2005, 20:40
My girlfriend wouldnt want to have sex with me without a condom (keeps thinking of her cute replacement words for these things, nearly gets confused) so its amazing that between her time at highschool and now has changed so quickly...she's only 20 O_o.

I think the problem is many guys may think condoms numb the feeling, dull the sense down there, and then theres the problem of wipping a "jonny" out durring a pretty hot make-out session and the hassle of using it.

They need to teach girls to be more serious, to learn to say no without protection if she doesnt want it, and dudes need to be taught that condoms dont need to interfere with the feelgoods.

Secondly, this 5 sex buddies at a time thing is kinda creepy, i mean ive heard of people getting about but, when everyones sleeping with everyone else and its all casual and meaningless, its just inviting transmission of disease, not to mention teenage pregnancy (ive not really heard of this in japan, do japanese girls feel more easily capable of abortion without any emotional trouble?).

Japan has had issues with sexuality for a while though, ive never really understood the reason for violent rape like media and what-not, and in general, japan seems really big on erotic entertainment.

They should start showing movies of AIDS victims in schools, really send the message home to the japanese of what they can look forward to if these teenagers keep sleeping about, im sure in such a ussually comfy society of japan, this knida shock lessons will have some effect.

Revenant
Aug 14, 2005, 21:36
Scary stuff. I'll be sure to educate my son well on the dangers of unprotected sex, or even just sex, as some STDs can be transmitted through oral sex, or just through genital skin contact (a reason some prostitutes use a large plastic ring so there is no contact between the area surrounding the genitals). Google some pics on venereal warts, or syphilis. It'll make anyone more cautious methinks.

My wife told me (she is Japanese) that some HIV positive people start sleeping around as much as possible, cause they don't want to die alone.

Yamato Nadeshiko is a TV drama (one that had me cringing after ten minutes), wherein the heroine of the story has the attitude of a traditional ideal woman. YNs were what most Japanese woman tried to be a long time ago. In the west, we still have an image of a submissive Japanese woman, who pours sake, and is ever cheerful. That is a YN.

celtician
Oct 18, 2005, 22:51
No wonder AIDS is a huge problem here when I first visited Japan in about '91 Japanese politicians were saying that Japanese can't get AIDS. How's that for total ignorance.

nurizeko
Nov 5, 2005, 17:39
Sad thing is it isnt the worse thing japanese leaders have told their people in ignorance.

The japanese are superior and the emperor is a god for one.

Heh, but yeah, AIDS is something to be tackled, hopefully the japanese will take it seriously.

Hyde_is_my_anti-drug
Nov 5, 2005, 20:14
The sad thing is that a lot of teens just think condoms prevent pregnancy so girls think if they're on the pill then there's no reason to use a condom. Which is of course a big load of BS. And it's not as if guys are gonna tell 'em different.
Most teens, actually most PEOPLE, don't realize how easy it is to get an STD and to spread them as well. Like in my friend's Health Class all they said about a condom was that it prevented pregnancy, not a word about STDs.
It also doesn't help that teens by nature are not the most responsible of creatures on our planet. Therefor 'causing the 'sleep around' problem. I, frankly, don't see how or why they think sleeping around is a good idea. I know I couldn't do it. I can't even serial date. It just feels odd and unnatural to me. But I know a lot of young people do it and therefor STDs are spreading like wild fire. If you have an STD but don't sleep around and are smart enough to get testing and so know about it then a big part of this problem would go away. But again teens are not so great at using their brains for this kinda stuff it's all raging emotions. And also to get tested they'd have to tell their parents that they've not only been having sex but have good reason to think they might be sick (and NO teen wants to have that convo with dear mommy and daddy). That's ANOTHER problem! Most Hospitals and clinics won't even give you an STD test if you don't think you're sick. A lot of STDs don't have obvious signs and so people wouldn't even know. Also HIV and STD tests cost money and inserence won't cover it unless, again, you have reason to think you're sick. NO WONDER STDs are flying around all over the place. Most people who have them don't even know and so therefor won't go get tested because of the money issue or they're just stupid enough to think it couldn't happen to them.
So you take ignorence put it together with carelessness and you get this mess. I have friends who know girls at their schools who aren't even SIXTEEN yet but have already had multiple abortions. That is not cool AT ALL. Teens need to be educated better and hopefully through knowing get smarter.

Carlson
Dec 11, 2005, 03:12
its kinda scary thing... me being a young miltary man in japan.. and the kind of guy i am.. some of my supervisors keep telling me about a troop they had before who was much like me and ended up geting AIDS from some girl in Tokyo.

Revenant
May 30, 2006, 22:36
A link (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/03/17/MN76451.DTL) to a somewhat frightening article. People infected with another STD such as chlamydia (very common and commonly without symptoms) are two to five times more likely to contract HIV from an infected person. Couple that with the young Japanese attitudes and ignorance to sex, and it paints an extremely scary picture.

Wang
Jun 13, 2006, 02:59
here's another article about the aids problem that Japan is not really tackling at the moment.


While the rest of the world may be well aware of the crisis being faced because of the explosive spread of AIDS, the same can't be said for Japan, where the relaxed attitude to the scourge causes me concern.

When an announcement came at the end of 2004 that the number of AIDS patients and HIV carriers in Japan had topped 10,000 there was a terrible hullabaloo. By April 28, 2006, the number of patients had risen to 11,251, according to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare. In Tokyo alone, for example, there were a record 417 patients. AIDS is increasing in Tokyo at a rate of more than one case a day. I often wonder if I'm the only person who realizes what dangers we're facing. These figures aren't some sort of estimate -- they're the real thing. And in Japan, where the public is not supportive toward AIDS testing, it's not hard to imagine that there are many people who aren't even aware that they have been infected. If people aren't taking precautions, the disease could be spreading.

Based on a report by the Japanese Society for AIDS Research, Komagome Hospital, probably an institution at the forefront of Japan's fight against AIDS, found out that only 9.3 percent of HIV carriers learned from a public health facility or AIDS testing organization they had contracted the disease compared to the 75 percent who first learned through a medical facility. What this means is that many people have no idea they've contracted HIV until it develops into full-blown AIDS. It is said the AIDS virus is dormant for anywhere from a few years to about a decade; but without testing, people are missing out on the chance of early detection.



You can read the rest here (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060610p2a00m0na029000c.html).

GodEmperorLeto
Jun 13, 2006, 15:44
Yamato Nadeshiko is a TV drama (one that had me cringing after ten minutes), wherein the heroine of the story has the attitude of a traditional ideal woman. YNs were what most Japanese woman tried to be a long time ago. In the west, we still have an image of a submissive Japanese woman, who pours sake, and is ever cheerful.
Actually, plenty of young American guys have a much different (but equally skewed) picture of modern Japanese women. Anyway, I find submissive women to be boring.


The japanese are superior and the emperor is a god for one.
Tell that to Mishima Yukio.


My girlfriend wouldnt want to have sex with me without a condom (keeps thinking of her cute replacement words for these things, nearly gets confused)
Rubber, jimmy-hat, raincoat, cocksock, Coney Island flat fish, wiener hood...


hmmm, attempted murder would be good but the cops wouldn't prosecute since their too busy slurping their ramen ;)
Ramen instead of donuts? Only in Japan, folks!

re:HIV/AIDS
I've actually heard instances of AIDS are rare in Japan, but other (curable) STDs are very common, amongst everyone. As for education, in the U.S., we have all sorts of STD-prevention information pounded into our brains from age 12 onward. Still, plenty of kids fail to take safety precautions on a common enough basis.

ghettocities
Jun 13, 2006, 16:53
Great article. I wouldn't doudt it and if there was no risk for disease I wouldn't go to Japan because I can't imagine how crazy that (Japan) would be. Like if Japan is already this sexually charged --- then like, without risk of disease? People's heads would be exploding! (No pun intended.)
Not to sound crude but I say bring on the crabs and everything, it'll knock the infected out of circulation and as a result it will make my job as a videographer that much more worry-free.
Josh