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tokyo
Jul 21, 2006, 15:28
Which culture does the Chinese in general have better opinions of?

nice gaijin
Jul 21, 2006, 16:38
There are about 1.3 billion people living in China, about 130 million in Japan and almost 300 million in the US. Your question seems to be unanswerable without the aid of wild generalizations or massive amounts of research.

ricecake
Jul 21, 2006, 16:54
This is a Japan-oriented forum,where we have no more than 6 regular forumers of Chinese descent out of several thousand active members.

Your thread can get higher poll numbers and replies on any Chinese forums than here.

The correct answer is 50/50,for Chinese younger generation is awaking to the fact of US military " encirlcement " of their country plus Taiwan issue despite lingering hate for Japan on unresolved WW 2 matters.

changedonrequest
Jul 21, 2006, 17:01
Are there many Chinese members posting here on JRef?

ricecake
Jul 21, 2006, 17:06
Nope ....

Me here in USA
one = Canada
one = France
two = mainland China
one = Hong Kong

We're the regular forumers,plus a few come and go.

eric
Jul 22, 2006, 13:18
im from Hong Kong, so yeah, i'm Chinese

changedonrequest
Jul 22, 2006, 13:20
I take it that posters like the character that started this thread, tokyo, get under your skin a bit.

osias
Jul 23, 2006, 03:03
Which culture does the Chinese in general have better opinions of?
I do get the impression that the Chinese in general have a more variety of views towards the US or Americans, whereas they are more likely to stereotype the Japanese.

ricecake
Jul 23, 2006, 06:48
Blame it on extreme anti-Japan Chinese mass media machine.

changedonrequest
Jul 23, 2006, 21:21
Yes, both the two cultures are admirable, but think of the war atrocities committed by japanese and the general attitude towards the past war in ja-society, who dare say chinese are loving japan?

actually, most people here like japan, not a militarily and politically ambitious japan, but a peace-loving, tolerant japan.


welcome to my blog at http://wumuyi.spaces.msn.com (blogging the ups and downs of China )

You know I am not a professor of history regarding Japan or China yet throughout the histories of both countries atrocities have been committed.

Neither country is without fault.

For Chinese to blame Japanese for their atrocities is one thing, yet in Chinese history MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people were sacrificed from the hands of the CHINESE people against CHINESE.

In Japanese history Japanese are guilty of indiscretions against numerous countries and their people throughout Asia.

This is the history of nearly all countries throughout the world....hell in the US Native American's were slaughtered by the millions, just so the "white" settlers could have more land.

Do I need to go on..............

Almost every country every where is to "blame". Don't you think it is time to let history be history?

Why in the heck can't people learn to look to the future instead of constantly living in the past? Does it make you "feel" better as a person to blame an event that happened probably before you were born to justify your hate today?

Question here to our Japanese and Chinese members;

To our Chinese members;

Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally or because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher?

To our Japanese members;

Do you actually KNOW any Chinese people? AND if you do ARE they decent or "nice? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally of because of something you were taught of told from a history book or teacher?

I personally lost relatives, my Dad's brother's among others during the Pacific War in WWII, that doesn't mean I HATE all Japanese because of an event that happened BEFORE I was born.

My wife is Japanese, my children are "half" Japanese "half" American, they are living reminders of the atrocities that Japan caused upon my family....yeah right I think not.

To those Chinese members and Japanese members out there that are over 60 years old, because the "rest" HAVE NO ACTUAL MEMORY OF ANY ATROCITIES, I ask do you hate the Japanese people so much even today?

OR have you learned that to carry such a hate does nothing but cause you heartburn.

I ASK ALL OF YOU JAPANESE AND CHINESE>>>>"WHERE DOES YOUR HATE COME FROM?" Please explain to me how you can hate a country and it's people for something that YOU are not directly concerned with.?!?!

RockLee
Jul 23, 2006, 22:00
To our Chinese members;

Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally or because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher? A while ago a Chinese girl added me to skype, and when we were talking I told her I studied Japanese, and I love Japan and all the relating things. She said she didn't like Japanese people, and when I asked her if she knew any Japanese she said "NO" !!? Come on, you dislike a whole nation because you are told in school to dislike Japanese? Yet you don't know any Japanese person at all. It's sad things like this happen on daily basis. Chinese and Japanese should put the past aside !

ricecake
Jul 23, 2006, 22:17
I've written close to 10 lengthy subjective detailed posts this past week in regard to " WHY " all round hating of Japan and Japanese @ undergroundglobal forum in response to this one 4th generation Japanese-American forum moderator's " enquiring mind " wanted to fully understand.

Koreans have " unwavering hatred " toward Japan and Japanese as well.

General consensus among Chinese and Koreans,Japanese race is " spiteful and underhanded " yellow folk.

My copy of " The Chrysanthemum and The Sword " written by Ruth Benedict,confirmed the " spiteful nature " of Japanese people.

4321go
Jul 24, 2006, 01:58
It is interesting that the Japanese I have ever met is friendly ,and also I treat them friendly too,without any difficulty~

Maybe China and Japan can be the closest (or best)neighbor.but not today !

osias
Jul 24, 2006, 05:52
In China, it seems patriotism is measured by how much you hate Japan.

I frequent to a Chinese language forum, their conversation goes like this:

A:"I hate Japan!"
B:" You are a patriotic Chinese!":-)

Maciamo
Jul 24, 2006, 06:04
There are about 1.3 billion people living in China, about 130 million in Japan and almost 300 million in the US. Your question seems to be unanswerable without the aid of wild generalizations or massive amounts of research.
Or some well-targeted professional survey. Given that both the Chinese people and government seem to hold fairly antagonistic feelings towards Japan, and that in the last decade they have so readily welcomed American investors, copied the American model and even made English their favoured 2nd language for business, my "impression" is that if we did survey the Chinese population, more would admit "liking" the US better than Japan. That is just my feeling/supposition, and I believe this is what we are asked for in this poll, isn't it ? We surely can't expect any JREF member to 'know' the exact answer in percentage...

changedonrequest
Jul 24, 2006, 06:43
Are u japanese?

No I'm not, yet I live in Japan.


Yes, we should look forward to the future and put aside the past, but you know what, when we chinese are live harmoniously with japanese, Koizumi stood out and paid a visit to the Yasukuni, and a textbook distorting history published, and right-wing clamoured "Nanking massacre is a lie!", and....

Ok, but how does that directly affect YOU as a Chinese person? I have never read a Chinese textbook, so I will ask you in all seriousness; "How do Chinese textbooks treat the "Cultural Revolution", or "The Great Leap Forward?" How do they write about the oppression of the Tibetian people striving for indpendence? These are used just as examples to suggest that each and any country has historical problems.

How does Koizumi's going to Yaskuni, (which btw I disagree with as well) affect you other than "symbolically"?

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 08:41
Errr .... someone is off-topic here.

How do those unfortunate events in China during 1950-1970 equate to OP's question :?

changedonrequest
Jul 24, 2006, 08:53
Errr .... someone is off-topic here.

How do those unfortunate events in China during 1950-1970 equate to OP's question :?

It is the natural extension of the questions that were being asked being answered that's all.

Topics like this one have that tendency.....to go in different directions.

And it isn't just my post there are numerous other ones that are not "strictly" on topic either. Including yours.:-)


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Timey
Jul 24, 2006, 09:06
is chinese descendent ok?
well..i take it as yes




To our Chinese members;

Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally or because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher?

yes, i KNOW and they're decent.
we're all animals with little more arrogancy and little bit more intelligence.
i do not despise. I married one of them.
no history book or teacher.
learnt it from an old-retired-nice-ex-soldier, excused from the WWII caused by fatal injuries (read. grenade) who happened to be my father.



To our Japanese members;

Do you actually KNOW any Chinese people? AND if you do ARE they decent or "nice? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally of because of something you were taught of told from a history book or teacher?



answers from my hubby :

yes...but if you mean from the China mainland, I worked with them.
nice, but never stop talking. I married one of this chatterboxes.
I learnt more history from my chatterbox than I got from my school.

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 09:14
Appearily fake Chinese OP sought out " real " Chinese to answer his survey on this Japan-oriented forum.

changedonrequest
Jul 24, 2006, 09:15
Timey, thank you! I also like the "little" cultural points you added as well.

I am married to a Japanese woman from Okinawa and her thoughts are similar to mine about "relationships" between people of different countries.

Not to say that we are naive but truly question how people from one country and another can have so much hatred for each other for things that happened before they were born.

For Japanese and Chinese I think some of these hatred's go back much farther than just since WWII.



Absolutely,as appearily fake Chinese OP sought out " real " Chinese to answer his survey on this Japan-oriented forum.

Thanks for answering for me........ :p

Oh and since it was my question and not the OP's I am more than happy to have any ethnic Chinese and or Japanese answer the questions I posted. :wave:

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 09:22
For Japanese and Chinese I think some of these hatred's go back much farther than just since WWII.



This is absolutely NOT TRUE,China's issue with Japan mainly circle around WW 2.

It's hatred between Japanese and Koreans extends back to Imjin War 1592-98 devasted Korea peninsula barely could recuperated one century later still has long last impact on Koreans mindset.Japan's Kyoto Minizuka Monument enshrines " ears and noses " of 36,000 Koreans slaughtered by Hideoyoshi's Army in this war.

Last year's S Korea's major TV network KBS produced an epic drama depicting their national hero in " The Undefeated Yi Shun Sin " with many sea battle scenes,he was the Korean commander of infamous Turtle Ships.

osias
Jul 24, 2006, 09:35
For Japanese and Chinese I think some of these hatred's go back much farther than just since WWII.

I doubt any Japanese would hate the Chinese because of history. It's usually the Chinese who first bring up the topic, and not the other way round.

Cool avatar, btw

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 09:51
There are Japanese families victimized by A-bomb still have some " residual " hatred or resentment toward Americans.

The historic relation between Japan and China was mainly " cultural enlightment " not of military or political conflicts,Japanese never had a " reason " to hate Chinese.

It's Japanese bit " the hands = China/Korea " civilized them for many centuries.

The failed Mongol invasion of Japan was a military aggression by northern Nomadic tribes,not a Chinese dynasty of Central Plains region ( China ).

Japan Inc 's economic aggression assault on America failed in 1990's.Nowadays,many ordinary Americans know better not ignorantly regard Japanese as " superficial friends " but a yellow race they have to stay on guard.

Timey
Jul 24, 2006, 10:06
Timey, thank you! I also like the "little" cultural points you added as well.

I am married to a Japanese woman from Okinawa and her thoughts are similar to mine about "relationships" between people of different countries.

Not to say that we are naive but truly question how people from one country and another can have so much hatred for each other for things that happened before they were born.

...

well..
it's just i don't think i'm in a position to determine whether i 'hate' or 'love' any countries and people

actually I'd like to say
what's over is over, it's something you can't change, you weren't even born by that time (WWII)!!

BUT
i'll be doomed if i'd ever been such an ignorant.
some people had all their family members slaughtered back then..who TF has a right to tell them to forget it and move on ? definitely not me, cos i happened to know some of them.

so, i'd like to say
i'm standing somewhere between the lines..
I can't judge people from their country
'hate' or 'like' ? .......?
somebody shoot me! haha..

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 10:15
i'll be doomed if i'd ever been such an ignorant.

some people had all their family members slaughtered back then.who TF has a right to tell them to forget it and move on ? definitely not me,cos iIhappened to know some of them.



Their outcries didn't fall on deaf ears,that's WHY there is not yet a " closure " chapter to WW 2 in the Far East.

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 11:43
Japanese culture is shame-driven NOT guilt-driven as for Chinese and Koreans plus Western people.you can run into a break wall with Japanese when try to explain the meaning of " consciousness " as they have close to zero seemingly.

changedonrequest
Jul 24, 2006, 14:51
iwumuyi thank you for your thoughtful post, I would like to make a couple of comments in reply.......


Japanese should have a proper attitude and action for their war past and Chinese is ought to stop any blind and extreme anti-Japan activities, both nations should put dialogues and communication on the priority


Japan did apologize, but only on official papers, not from the bottom of the heart, and thats why untill now,

I agree with this, however how many times does a person or in this case a country need to apologize for people to believe them? I have heard the Emperor, and any number of prime ministers apologize as well, how many more times will it take before people accept them.


We are reluctant to live in the war-time memories, and we are ready to communicate, ready to extended friendship to our Japanese neighbors, but please remember that its the Japanese, especially the right-wing politicians who first "pour salt on the wound" , and awake Chinese that the two countries used to be enemies.

Your feelings are understandable, and it always seems that it is the politicians that are the "problem" in any and all disputes, misunderstandings and conflicts like this.

Talking as an "average" person I feel that people, not the politicians, in both countries probably could, can and do get along without any problems other the the "usual" cultural differences. Yet even culturally Japan and China are closer than Japan and the US that's for sure. It would be beneficial for the two to have closer and more meaningful ties for the future of Asia and the world.

Question here I asked this in an earlier post and ricecake wrote this in reply first the question and then ricecakes reply.

For Japanese and Chinese I think some of these hatred's go back much farther than just since WWII.

ricecakes reply to that was;

This is absolutely NOT TRUE,China's issue with Japan mainly circle around WW 2.


Would you agree that all the hatred stems only from WWII or do the wounds go much further back than that?

Yes I am American and I understand your point as well about 9/11, yet in someplaces in the world I am pretty sure memorials will be eventually made, the only difference between a terrorist and a revolutionist is the side you are on.

Heck I am pretty sure that the British probably thought that the colonists were terrorists during America's War of Independence.

Once again for your thoughtful and honest reply, I am glad that I was able to understand you and what you had to say, I have learned something today and that makes it a great day for me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions. Have a good day!

changedonrequest
Jul 24, 2006, 15:01
Japanese culture is shame-driven NOT guilt-driven as for Chinese and Koreans plus Western people.you can run into a break wall with Japanese when try to explain the meaning of " consciousness " as they have close to zero seemingly.

You are Chinese right? Excuse me my mistake you are American right? How can you make blanket statements about a country and people that are not "yours".

All you are doing is speculating and making generalizations which defeat the points in your posts.

lu_bu1977
Jul 24, 2006, 19:40
...All you are doing is speculating and making generalizations which defeat the points in your posts.

ricecake does that by referring to past and recent history. It has more referential proof than your own rather verbose and perpetual romanticisation of all things Japanese in these forums.

Sir, having a Japanese wife neither makes you an expert in Sino-Japan relationships, nor endows you with an exceptional and flawless insight into the Japanese psyche, I am afraid.

changedonrequest
Jul 24, 2006, 19:57
ricecake does that by referring to past and recent history. It has more referential proof than your own rather verbose and perpetual romanticisation of all things Japanese in these forums.

Sir, having a Japanese wife neither makes you an expert in Sino-Japan relationships, nor endows you with an exceptional and flawless insight into the Japanese psyche, I am afraid.

You sir should take a look at what I wrote and you will see that I never claimed anything that you are assuming here.

I agree that having a Japanese wife means nothing, except that I have a Japanese wife. I also happen to live here and have been for 20 years, that may not count much to you but it does give me a better insight in to things about daily life over a tourist or sometime traveller here. Before you start assuming things you might be better served by finding out who you are talking to first.

I've travelled a bit in my life and have seen a lot of people in many different countries and one thing that I noticed through my experience is that the "average" people just about everywhere are just that "average" which means that they are pretty much kind and decent and outwardly do not show signs or actions of such hatred that gets tossed around so easily in this part of the world. I like to think of myself as an optimist.

BUT and here is a huge but, you are making assumptions about what I do or do not know about Japan it's history, and btw the way my wife loves me because I am romantic.:wave:

ricecake
Jul 24, 2006, 22:03
ricecake does that by referring to past and recent history. It has more referential proof than your own rather verbose and perpetual romanticisation of all things Japanese in these forums.




Someone smartly echoed my thoughts :bravo:

RockLee
Jul 25, 2006, 04:33
@Iwumuji : There is a quote tag you know ;-)

Ontopic: I think we should end this, don't you think? This is starting to become a "China vs Japan"-thread. :worried:

osias
Jul 25, 2006, 21:58
* side note ... I suspect you work for a Japanese newspaper,with responsiblility propagate anti-Chinese sentiments in cyberspace.You're one of several dedicated Japanese trolls working tirelessly in both Japanese and Chinese internet forums.
And you are here to propagate anti-Japanese sentiments here?
You sure like to label people: trolls, Japs, fake Chinese, Chinese-wannabes, etc.

nurizeko
Jul 30, 2006, 20:26
I agree Ricecake, if your intention is to merely convey your stone like stubborn less then justifiable opinion of Japanese, you have succeeded and we no lnoger require your input in this thread to remind us of your feelings, you have exhausted any value your input has to this discussion, mainly because you dont have any.
When you feel you can make more objective contributions then feel welcome.
I agree with Hachiro, his posts have been informative and he hasnt claimed the position of Japanese nationalist.
He has merely brought up the VERY good question that is, why can some people hate another people for little justification?.
He puts forth that if you must hate, it should be placed on people you have personal experience of.
You may hate Koizumi, but you cannot make sweeping statements that you can somehow hate all Japanese, especially if you've never met a single one.
He also brings up the point that in WW2 America and Japan were enemies, America media frequently referred to the Japanese and "Japs & Nips" and often spouted off the kind of language that we now only attribute to neo-nazi's and terrorists.
It is 60 years after, most involved are dead, and Hachiro explains that here we have an America, witness, as he explains his marriage, his LOVE for a woman of Japanese nationality.
His point is that if China can hate Japan for WW2 then so can America and the allies, yet here we have a situation of peace between the allies and Japan, and westerners marrying and loving Japanese, living and working there, having children there or with our Japanese partners, this is hardly what one would call hating an old enemy.
Japan is no longer your enemy, I think Hachiro is trying to say, and that, perhaps you can forget a pointless hatred, and even better, get to know Japanese people.
I dispise China's communist regime, because its not communist and it isnt fair, people still dissappear, but I dont hate the Chinese, China, and tis culture, just because of the regime, which is seperate.
Japans wartime regime doesnt even exist, 60 years dead.


Ontopic: I think we should end this, don't you think? This is starting to become a "China vs Japan"-thread.

I concur, we must teach people that if they are seeking arguments and flame-wars, they must look elsewhere.

nurizeko
Jul 30, 2006, 20:46
My wife is Japanese, my children are "half" Japanese "half" American, they are living reminders of the atrocities that Japan caused upon my family....yeah right I think not.

This is the best sentence in your reply, Hachiro, My grandfather and grandmother fled germany because of the war, lost relatives.

Japan was Britains enemy, yet here we are, 60 years after the fact, having no memory of any atrocity commited against me, dating a Japanese lady.

If the situation was more convenient we would have probably married already or at least be engaged.

Britons, Americans, hell, even some Chinese have married Japanese people and learned to see Japan as a nation of human beings instead of an old enemy long defeated, and the criminals of the war long dead.

ricecake
Jul 31, 2006, 08:41
(1)especially if you've never met a single one.

(2)Japans wartime regime doesnt even exist, 60 years dead.


(1) Excuse me ! .... you sure made a blanket statement here.I personally befriended a seemingly nice Japanese foreign exchanged female student Noriko Aoki some years ago.I once had a summer part-time job at a local print shop owned by Japanese woman named Hitomi with former American GI husband.I've embraced Japanese culture much of my life.I regular a local Japanese supermarket Mitsuwa,where one can meet shoppers of Japanese national.I've read many translated Japanese novels through out my adult years,oppose to none for you.

(2) :lol: .... A local San Jose Mercury News ( California ) in the 1990's blatantly accused one Japanese owned company's advertisement with a photo of blind-folded whiteman perceivingly " thumb at " whitemen's ignorancy as subtle racist attack.Many today's Japanese political families whose grandfathers were participants of Japan Empire,PM Koizumi's family has directly blooded their hands in assassination and illegal activities.Today's Japan we see is superficial at best with same old underlying schemes.

Bedded one or two Japanese *****(s) doesn't qualify anyone taking Japan's side on behalf of Japanese males.

michi
Jul 31, 2006, 09:09
From my experience, mainland Chinese usually have negative feelings for the Japanese and don't really care about Americans.

nurizeko
Aug 22, 2006, 17:09
Personally I dont think Chinese think much of either culture.

Out of any culture they choose their own (the one they tried to destroy in a maoist idiocy project).

Still, Chinese culture is nice so, cant blame them.

At the momment I reckon they'd choose American culture...just out of spite of Japan really.

CBC Guy
Nov 2, 2006, 23:47
I'd reckon most Chinese would say they like the USA more than they like Japan, but mainly out of spite for Japan.

Even in HK, where people are less nationalistic than here on the Mainland, people still talk of the 日本仔, (little Japanese) but that's not real hatred, just awe at how Japan is so different and "weird." I am in Mainland China right now and many students profess to dislike Japan but I don't sense any crazy hatred like Japan thinks China has right now.


As for the USA, the consensus in China is that Bush is an idiot, that Rumsfeld is a sabre-rattler looking for war, but that American culture is interesting and sometimes useful. Americans are seen as fun-loving individualists.

On a personal level, however, I don't think many Chinese care very much about either Japan or the US. They just try to live their own lives. Some of them do like certain aspects of Japanese culture.

MoBay
Dec 15, 2006, 08:06
A lot of people on this threat talks about forget and move on and what have you. The reality is that those who forget the lessions of the past are destine to repeat those mistakes in the future. It is indeed wise to remember the past however horrible it may have been. It is also prudent to teach the children about the past so they may avoid the mistakes of their parents. The point here is never forget.

Django
Apr 28, 2007, 16:38
The day Chinese care about the US they won't be chinese anymore. As Austrian I played chess and admired the Russians, I played GO, Wetschi or name it... The moment Chinese, Japanese or Russians really start to care about the USA and their "way" we should all worry. And as european I honestly do not want to be affiliated to the so called western world, which is at least mediatically US dominated. I got more in common with an orhtodox russian then with a US citizen. The US suck hard, maybe less then others but well, they suck...

lenajiang
May 25, 2007, 15:37
Are there many Chinese members posting here on JRef?


I come from China .Joining this forum on 18th,May 2007

lenajiang
May 25, 2007, 15:42
Yes, both the two cultures are admirable, but think of the war atrocities committed by japanese and the general attitude towards the past war in ja-society, who dare say chinese are loving japan?
actually, most people here like japan, not a militarily and politically ambitious japan, but a peace-loving, tolerant japan.
welcome to my blog at http://wumuyi.spaces.msn.com (blogging the ups and downs of China )

Yes,you r rught.Especially NanJing massacre ,every chinese don't forget this ignominy.

lenajiang
May 25, 2007, 15:59
Why in the heck can't people learn to look to the future instead of constantly living in the past? Does it make you "feel" better as a person to blame an event that happened probably before you were born to justify your hate today?

Question here to our Japanese and Chinese members;

To our Chinese members;

Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally or because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher?


I personally lost relatives, my Dad's brother's among others during the Pacific War in WWII, that doesn't mean I HATE all Japanese because of an event that happened BEFORE I was born.

My wife is Japanese, my children are "half" Japanese "half" American, they are living reminders of the atrocities that Japan caused upon my family....yeah right I think not.

To those Chinese members and Japanese members out there that are over 60 years old, because the "rest" HAVE NO ACTUAL MEMORY OF ANY ATROCITIES, I ask do you hate the Japanese people so much even today?

OR have you learned that to carry such a hate does nothing but cause you heartburn.

I ASK ALL OF YOU JAPANESE AND CHINESE>>>>"WHERE DOES YOUR HATE COME FROM?" Please explain to me how you can hate a country and it's people for something that YOU are not directly concerned with.?!?!

Yes ,we can't constantly live in the past .Everyone wish have peace life .I have ever watched a film which show the Japanese take chinaese as their test object by using organism-chemical weapon .I don't know whether it is real.But I also have a question why don't they show some other countries(American ,Germany ,UK and so on).As I myself ,I am angery the past ,not live in the past .Only i wish is there will have no war any longer

lenajiang
May 25, 2007, 16:17
Dear Hachiro San
I would like to talk to you sincerely and objectively as a global citizen ,not only a Chinese, for fear that we Chinese are probably misundertood as radical nationalists on Japan-related issues. Well, I can assure you that most of time, we are reasonabled.
To your post:
yet in Chinese history MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people were sacrificed from the hands of the CHINESE people against CHINESE
Yes, neither country is without fault, and I am sorry to say that in the Chinese history there was a time of dog-eat-dog, and things like purge in cultural revolution. that is the past, but we should demand something back, we expect justice and apology. As for the war past, Japan did apologize, but only on official papers, not from the bottom of the heart, and thats why untill now, some right-wing academia deny the facticity of Nanking Massacre, and thats why the prime minister Koizumi enshrined the Yasukuni, and thats
why....You are a American, right? with all due respect. will Americans allow the Al-Qaida to commemorate and enshrine the hijackers on flight 93, no, definitely, The US are at war with Japan for only 4 to 5 years, while Chinese were flighting for 13 years (followed 9.18 incident in 1931 )and in Nanking(then capital of ROC) alone, 200-300 millions lives were taken. please just put yourself in our shoes and think why Chinese cannot tolerant of Koizumi's visit.
....Don't you thing it is time to let history be history?.... Why in the heck can't people learn to look to the future instead of constantly living in the past?
We are reluctant to live in the war-time memories, and we are ready to communicate, ready to extended friendship to our Japanese neighbors, but please remember that its the Japanese, especially the right-wing politicians who first "pour salt on the wound" , and awake Chinese that the two countries used to be enemies.
Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they
decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you
despise them, because of something they did to you personally or
because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher?
I have constant e-mail exchanges with some penpals from Japan, and I have Japanese students there in campus. I do marvel at Japanese for their politeness and orderliness , but I cannot respect Japan as a great nation like Germany, please tell me what great if a nation is ashamed of facing its past histories.The politicians is one things, and the people is Japan is another things, we are born to be educated to believe that most Japanese are peace-loving, and different from those ring-wing politicians. Chinese are not as so anti-japan as you might have thought. Just see how well we cheated the Japanese war prisoners after Japan's surrender, and how we help the Japanese immigrants' evacuation. ordinary Chinese, they didn't know what
Geneva Conventions are all about, they just helped enemies truly as human being and believed that those enemies were also the victims of militarism. We were kindhearted but are hurt half century later. yes I have to mention the incident occured last year about the anti-japan demonstrations, that was a peaceful march, neither student have done anything destructive, later investigation indicated that those who demaged japan-related infrastructure were so called "hooligans" who did so to justify their hate today. Anyway, I am sorry and feel ashamed for their improper behavior.
We should have solutions, and my suggestion is that:
Japanese should have a proper attitude and action for their war past and Chinese is ought to stop any blind and extreme anti-Japan activities, both nations should put dialogues and communication on the priority.


well done !your speech is so bright

weijin88
Nov 2, 2007, 03:14
It is hard to say. There are still many Chinese who are angry at Japan because of history. At the same time, there are forward-looking Chinese who puts Japan and history behind them and wonder about the future and how to co-exist with America.

simonwu
Jul 30, 2008, 18:21
I think there is a lack of communication between Japan and China. For most Chinese people, they don't know anyone from Japan. Their only impression about their neighbour is such as the brutal but stupid military officer with a little moustache in movies about the WW2 (made-in-China). Not like USA, though it's much further away, modern Japan remains mysterious to most of ordinary Chinese (sorry, but maybe except the Japanese porno films to the young Chinese).
And the main reason that Chinese knows more about and thus are more favourable towards Americans is the POWER of USA. Its effects are everywhere. We learn English, listen to VOA, watch Hollywood movies, Friends etc. We don't know more about Peru than Japan, frankly.
So Chinese and Japanese people need more communication so that we can live together better.

grapefruit
Sep 3, 2008, 17:46
Unless the Communist Party changes its policy and starts allowing freedom in the media, direct, personal interaction between the peoples of the two countries is the only hope.

But, even at this level, those who were educated in the mainland tend to be close-minded. So, change in education might be key.

Anatoli
Oct 7, 2008, 05:33
If you remember the thread about Japanese and the rest of Asia, it's not only Chinese who need to stop being close-minded, in a friendship it takes two, at least. There's enough brainwashing in many countries against some other countries. Even Chinese media stopped calling America "Imperialist" but China is often called "Communist", even if a report has nothing to do with politics. Are American media objective towards China or Russia?

grapefruit
Oct 7, 2008, 09:47
If you remember the thread about Japanese and the rest of Asia, it's not only Chinese who need to stop being close-minded, in a friendship it takes two, at least. There's enough brainwashing in many countries against some other countries. Even Chinese media stopped calling America "Imperialist" but China is often called "Communist", even if a report has nothing to do with politics. Are American media objective towards China or Russia?

I totally agree with your point. I was astonished by how NBC portrayed China during the Olympic Games. During the Opening Ceremony, the NBC commentator kept talking about political issues while athletes were marching. As an ordinary viewer who cares more about sports, NBC's politically colored coverage was annoying.

Anatoli
Oct 7, 2008, 13:52
I think there is a lack of communication between Japan and China. For most Chinese people, they don't know anyone from Japan.
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So Chinese and Japanese people need more communication so that we can live together better.
Ordinary people are the bridge. In this day and age, all the info is available through the internet, movies, books, magazines, private correspondence, etc. No reason for not knowing better your neigbours, if one wants to know them. :)

grapefruit
Oct 8, 2008, 12:09
Ordinary people are the bridge. In this day and age, all the info is available through the internet, movies, books, magazines, private correspondence, etc. No reason for not knowing better your neigbours, if one wants to know them. :)

That is true, but it is also true that majority of Chinese people will not have Japanese as friends in near future. Also, the majority of Japanese people do not have American friends, but somehow they still love America.

bammbamm&pebbles
Oct 8, 2008, 15:59
Also, the majority of Japanese people do not have American friends, but somehow they still love America.





I think it's bondage of vassal dependency.

NightKry
Oct 14, 2008, 03:52
Well, I'm Chinese, and from my view point, the younger generation tends to lean more to Japanese, while the older generation absolutely detest them (with what the NanKing massacre, WWII, what do you expect?).
Towards American culture, well, I'm not sure; i grew up in Canada, so it's always been there, no hype about it.

As for 'stop living in the past', well it's sort of hard, isn't it? My grandmother lived through the time when the Japanese came to Taiwan; she learned how to fire a gun and throw grenades from those times. My father, who grew up after the Japanese left, knows the hardship of what the country was going through.

Three generations later, the younger generation, namely, students my age, still know of their cruelty through our older family members. Perhaps we will move on when time moves on, and washes away all that blood still remains today.

NOTE: I didn't read the entire thread..

Soloer
Oct 22, 2008, 08:43
Other than WW2, I don't see why Chinese hate Japanese. The reason China don't really like China is the same as to why Russia doesn't like USA. Who doesn't want to be world No.1?!

Anatoli
Oct 22, 2008, 18:30
Wrong answer, where's the source for this claim? --

andyonly
Feb 27, 2009, 09:52
In our country,most people would like to American rather than Japan.we are also have more advantage information for american.but Japan also is a good area to familiar with and learn.

xinyaoqiu
Oct 28, 2009, 08:15
crazy post lol!!! hi i am chinese and i don't like japan nor america. hahahaha