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MWThomas
Jan 15, 2006, 01:34
Is there racism in China?

bossel
Jan 15, 2006, 01:37
Of course.

Where isn't?

Dutch Baka
Jan 15, 2006, 01:46
Of course.
Where isn't?
I don't think there is Racism in China.....
In all country's there is Racism, skin color, the kind of work you do, how many kids you have etc etc.. Racism is everywhere in the world....

have a look over here, maybe you like the info:

http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/0417/cu18-1.html
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2002/0905/vo2-2.html
http://www.andresgentry.com/thoughts/2003/02/racism_in_china.html
http://www.china-visa.cn/china-annoyances.htm

RockLee
Jan 15, 2006, 22:06
I don't think there is Racism in China.....
In all country's there is Racism, skin color, the kind of work you do, how many kids you have etc etc.. Racism is everywhere in the world....
have a look over here, maybe you like the info:
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/0417/cu18-1.html
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2002/0905/vo2-2.html
http://www.andresgentry.com/thoughts/2003/02/racism_in_china.html
http://www.china-visa.cn/china-annoyances.htm
First you say there isn't, then you say there is in every country ??


Ofcourse there is, also the Chinese are very conservative.
I had no issues with racism though :) Only all of the people staring at me like I was an alien :okashii:

Another Aoi Fan
Mar 21, 2006, 14:10
WARNING OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO WRITE, TAKE IT TO NO OFFENESE. ITS THE STEREOTYPE, NOT MYSELF SPEAKING!!!!


Well. Duh. But... like in America, there are steriotypes on chinese like... they all have accents, all smart, all short, ext. In China, the stereotypes for Americans are they are all obese or they are all anerexic, they all have accents, they are all clumsy, dumb and tall. Hahaha!

dreamer
Mar 21, 2006, 18:31
Well...I am of chinese origins and when speaking chinese, I noticed that there was 2 mains groups: The people called litterally "Yellow-kind-humans" and "Ghosts" for foreigners ^^'
For exemple I often hear the term "black-ghost" for dark skinned people and "Ghost" for caucassians...

Dunno about the main mentality though...

Supervin
Mar 21, 2006, 21:10
Yes, but despite such language being used, I would reckon that it's no more than just a habit. You'd be surprised at how many people in China have inferiority complexes (to do with upbringing and an adverse quality of life).

bossel
Mar 22, 2006, 09:40
You'd be surprised at how many people in China have inferiority complexes
An inferiority complex is actually quite often reason for racism.

Supervin
Mar 22, 2006, 10:03
An inferiority complex is actually quite often reason for racism.
It would depend on what the inferiority complex relates to, i.e. whether to race specifically or the individual as a whole (the latter being no self-esteem).

Racism can exist whether there is an inferiority complex or not; I would say that there is no direct correlation per se, but the existence of an inferiority complex can reduce racist tendencies, because of the lack of pride.

An inferiority complex relating to race causes those who have it to 'look upward' towards other races that are perceived to be more 'superior' while being ashamed of one's own.

dreamer
Mar 22, 2006, 20:46
Well...let's say that depending on where you go the "racism" level will differ, from simple curiosity (if that can be considered racism) to total denial

nurizeko
Mar 25, 2006, 17:32
Racism is everywhere where its now popular to hate on whites.

Nah it isnt too widespread but, thanks to america and the worlds jeliousy/genuine disgruntled earned contempt for it, hating white folk seems to be popular because while a black man or indian could shout racist and it would be taken seriously, hating on whtie folk seems just a tad more acceptable.

How many juries would convict someone for calling me a cracker?.:souka:

warakawa
May 23, 2006, 10:31
chinese tend to view caucasians and japanese more the more superior. but blacks and middle easts ppl as inferior beings.

Minty
May 24, 2006, 08:22
Actually in Asia (not just China) people look down on dark skin people, because they represent the lower class they tow in the fields hence they are dark.

On the other hand, the light skin people (Asians included) represent the higher class because they don't need to work in the field.

osias
May 26, 2006, 03:23
Actually in Asia (not just China) people look down on dark skin people, because they represent the lower class they tow in the fields hence they are dark.
On the other hand, the light skin people (Asians included) represent the higher class because they don't need to work in the field.
In Asia?? Does this include japan?? Dark skin was a trend in Japan a couple of years ago. You overgeneralize too much.
http://fashion.3yen.com/wp-content/images/ganguro.jpg

justin9213
May 28, 2006, 05:26
http://www.metanoiac.com/archives/2004/11/politically_inc.html

Minty
May 29, 2006, 07:32
In Asia?? Does this include japan?? Dark skin was a trend in Japan a couple of years ago. You overgeneralize too much.
http://fashion.3yen.com/wp-content/images/ganguro.jpg

When people say ..."In Asia people do...." it means the majority. For examples Chinese eat dogs, French eat frogs...etc. I find you don't understand what people are talking about at times.

Minty
May 29, 2006, 23:28
Anyway I donft think fashion trend is correlated to whether Japanese look down at dark skin people or not. I mean in Western countries, white people like to brown their skins under the sun to look tan but this does not mean there is no racism against minorities such as Blacks, Hispanics or Asians.

osias
May 30, 2006, 01:59
Anyway I donft think fashion trend is correlated to whether Japanese look down at dark skin people or not. I mean in Western countries, white people like to brown their skins under the sun to look tan but this does not mean there is no racism against minorities such as Blacks, Hispanics or Asians.
I mean, dark skin can't become trendy if japanese look down on people with dark skin. These girls are black-wannabes.. Racism in Japan is not based on the color of the skin, perhaps a little different from China, or "the majority of asia".

Minty
May 30, 2006, 06:17
I mean, dark skin can't become trendy if japanese look down on people with dark skin. These girls are black-wannabes.. Racism in Japan is not based on the color of the skin, perhaps a little different from China, or "the majority of asia".

The basis of your argument of whether there is racism against dark skin people in Japan is based on Japanese school girls' fashion fad?

[Sarcasm]Will Smith has a lot of fans in the US and it is cool to watch his movies, listen to his songs and wear the products he promotes in commercials so therefore no people in the U.S display racism towards blacks. [Sarcasm]

Anyway racism among Chinese and others are not based on people's skin but rather of what they represent.

osias
May 30, 2006, 06:43
To the Japanese, young or old, dark skin traditionally represents N. To the youth, it is the black culture in the US. People usually associate dark skin with positive. But these years, doctors warn against skin cancer and the accelerated aging of the skin, so too much is no good..

I remember once a Chinese teacher told the class how she looked "white" among Indian people. She looked quite happy about that. To the Chinese, I understand that dark skin has to do with lower income/lower class. But it does not have such implications in Japan. and unlike the US and Europe, there aren't major clashes with black people, simply because there aren't many black people in Japan.

I'm quite familiar with both cultures, so I see the difference.

leonmarino
May 30, 2006, 08:00
To the Japanese, young or old, dark skin traditionally represents N.
I know a Japanese native who told me exact the opposite. White skin is preferred according to her. I also have never seen people use parasols as often as in Japan..
I am not a sociologist or whatever but it seems logical to me that traditionally white skin is considered more beautiful in many cultures. People of lower classes had to work outside to make money, and do dirty jobs; a white, clean skin must have been a sign of class and wealth.
Of course, lately it seems that many people think that being tanned is more healthy. I have to admit I do find extremely pale people not attractive because I associate it (on a sub-conscious level) with not-sporting and not-going-out.
Anyways, I am not saying either one is more superior or whatever, just to make that clear.

Dutch Baka
May 30, 2006, 08:05
http://www.metanoiac.com/archives/2004/11/politically_inc.html

Are you just going to give a link, or some further information about the link and the topic?

osias
May 30, 2006, 08:28
I know a Japanese native who told me exact the opposite. White skin is preferred according to her. I also have never seen people use parasols as often as in Japan..
I am not a sociologist or whatever but it seems logical to me that traditionally white skin is considered more beautiful in many cultures. People of lower classes had to work outside to make money, and do dirty jobs; a white, clean skin must have been a sign of class and wealth.
Of course, lately it seems that many people think that being tanned is more healthy. I have to admit I do find extremely pale people not attractive because I associate it (on a sub-conscious level) with not-sporting and not-going-out.
Anyways, I am not saying either one is more superior or whatever, just to make that clear.
I don't know what it was like hundreds of years ago. I'm talking about these 10 years or 20 years. It's possible that when Japan was poorer, and thus the income inequality was much wider, it could have been different. Do they use parosoles in Japan now? 4 or 5 years ago, almost everyone, young and old, was black. Even during the winter. The japanese just go with the crowd.
:blush:

Silverbackman
Jun 4, 2006, 09:27
It seems that Chinese look more on skin color rather than race then, correct? Because skin color is usually the worst determinant of "race".

Skin color is based more on climatic conditions than race. Any race that lives closer to the equator will have darker skin. Do Chinese know this?

warakawa
Jun 22, 2006, 03:25
It seems that Chinese look more on skin color rather than race then, correct? Because skin color is usually the worst determinant of "race".
Skin color is based more on climatic conditions than race. Any race that lives closer to the equator will have darker skin. Do Chinese know this?

the situation in china is really weird, espcially with the japanese people. A nationalist chinese will definately hate anything japanese, esp japanese people reasons are the massacre committed by the japanese during WW2, Koizumi's visits to war shrine, japanese history books, and maybe inferiority complex may come into play. like those students taking part in the anti japan demo in shanghai last year are. these are the ones who will never forgive nor forget japan's atrocities during ww2. these ppl may also be affected by the communist party's propaganda. when i was in primary school back in shanghai, when were pretty much forced to watch ww2 movies, and sino japan war movies.

Then there are those chinese who worship japanese culture, games, language, cars (nissan skyline :cool: ). who view the japanese ppl as more superior, thought may have hatred against japanese ppl for the war. these chinese are usually more open, have forgiven the japanese for their crimes.

lu_bu1977
Jul 25, 2006, 17:52
chinese tend to view caucasians and japanese more the more superior. but blacks and middle easts ppl as inferior beings.

Actually, that is untrue. While most of them may be impressed by the quality and creativity of Japanese products, they are definitely not viewed as "superior" by any stretch of the imagination. I suspect the mindset is that these Japs had a head-start but the Chinese will soon catch-up and perhaps, surpass(?) them, faster than they would of the Westerners at this point in time.

Furthermore, I don't think all caucasians are viewed as superior, only certain Westerners - probably those from countries viewed as economic successes. I won't be surprised if the general consensus is that the major powers in WW2 (e.g. Americans, Germans) are probably viewed far more positively than east-europeans or mediterraneans.

Another Aoi Fan
Jul 27, 2006, 14:09
I'm Chinese. I should know.


Hell yeah. They are VERY racist. In fact, they are just as racist as Americans. They have really mean racist jokes about Americans, africans, europeans, and especially Indian.

curiouscreature
Aug 6, 2006, 12:00
Is there racism in China?
sure racism in China against Japanese because they were defeated by "Japanese student" or by "little Japan". Chinese had never thought Japan a nation respectable though Japan is the first Asian nation that has been listed in the world's most developed countries, and is the first one that had beaten westerners out of Asia.

Timey
Aug 6, 2006, 17:05
Well...I am of chinese origins and when speaking chinese, I noticed that there was 2 mains groups: The people called litterally "Yellow-kind-humans" and "Ghosts" for foreigners ^^'
For exemple I often hear the term "black-ghost" for dark skinned people and "Ghost" for caucassians...

Dunno about the main mentality though...

the 'evil' term is used for any countries other than china.
i don't think it's racist, it's just habit for the elderlies. and the 'evil' term is not only used when talking bout race, it's used anywhere in the language, just like the word 'damn' in english.

Timey
Aug 6, 2006, 17:12
It seems that Chinese look more on skin color rather than race then, correct? Because skin color is usually the worst determinant of "race".

Skin color is based more on climatic conditions than race. Any race that lives closer to the equator will have darker skin. Do Chinese know this?

sure they know.
and they also know that racism is everywhere in the world either based on the race or based on skin colour ---what's the difference ? discrimination as it was, have you ever been discriminated in your own country, same nationality, the legal citizen there..?

if not, lucky you.:cool:

Timey
Aug 6, 2006, 17:16
sure racism in China against Japanese because they were defeated by "Japanese student" or by "little Japan". Chinese had never thought Japan a nation respectable though Japan is the first Asian nation that has been listed in the world's most developed countries, and is the first one that had beaten westerners out of Asia.

oh come on..

are we gonna talk again bout china-japan relationships based on blabla history blabla wars blabla hate ? i thought it's all over the forum already, and it's all a dead end.
fighting over historiesy, arguing whether the history is true or fake where no one actually know the answers.

how come any discussion about china always lead to anything related to japan as in the war....?
there's more than that. sure..much more than those stuff.

ok..
move on

curiouscreature
Aug 6, 2006, 22:05
oh come on..

are we gonna talk again bout china-japan relationships based on blabla history blabla wars blabla hate ? i thought it's all over the forum already, and it's all a dead end.
fighting over historiesy, arguing whether the history is true or fake where no one actually know the answers.

how come any discussion about china always lead to anything related to japan as in the war....?
there's more than that. sure..much more than those stuff.

ok..
move on

What's a pitty!
It's only your view, not views in China. If you have chance to live in China, you would find almost all of the topics about Japan/Japanese are hatred and discriminal against Japan. You would find much much more about that but other things.
Japanese, wake up!

Timey
Aug 6, 2006, 23:20
What's a pitty!
It's only your view, not views in China. If you have chance to live in China, you would find almost all of the topics about Japan/Japanese are hatred and discriminal against Japan. You would find much much more about that but other things.
Japanese, wake up!
you're right.
but what's with another point of views ? it's true that the racism against japanese might be based on the history facts.
how about the other case ? is there another case that's not based on anything to do with the war ?
it's not like every racism has anything to do with the past (read:war happened long ago before most of us weren't even born yet), right ?

what do you think ?
i'm more interesed if there's anyone can give a new perspective bout this kind of stuff.

sorry if i sounded offensive.
maybe i was just fed up by reading too much bout 'war this war that' about china-japan all over the forum it started to sound like a broken record.
yea yea...i know, shouldn't have complained bout it and burst it out on you.
and shouldn't have posted when i was pissed and bored to hell.
it's a forum anyway.

and i'm not a japanese.

cheers.

nurizeko
Aug 6, 2006, 23:54
History facts shmistory fracts, Racism is considored by most civilised developed nations as wrong. period. For whatever reasons.

This history justification brings up another point, if you can excuse racism towards a country based on history, can we justify passing on the punishment and guilt and sins of the father onto his son?.

Do modern Japanese someone carry an obligation to Asia anymore?.

If Japan were to satisfy every demand and expectation of China, should China follow suit and leave Tibet?.

Racism as always ussually has more in common with political agenda's then actual justifiable hatred and contempt.

If I was to punch you in the nose for nor eason, that is reason to hate me, if I just happen to be distantly associated with someone else that punched you in the nose, am i still deserving of hate?.

Somethnig to think over.

Timey
Aug 7, 2006, 00:06
If I was to punch you in the nose for nor eason, that is reason to hate me, if I just happen to be distantly associated with someone else that punched you in the nose, am i still deserving of hate?.

Somethnig to think over.
no offense
just asking

if i happened to be a second cousin of a daughter of an uncle of a close friend of a father of a man who killed your whole family members for no reason and leave you alive -just because you were 'lucky' enough to be 'invisible'- with some wounds that'll never heal forever, will you ever have a possibility to hate me ?