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Maciamo
Jan 10, 2003, 21:32
Is it possible to know from which country someone is connected only with the ISP number ? What other information does the ISP number give ?

thomas
Jan 10, 2003, 21:45
Let's play with my IP address.

I'm in Europe, so I run it through RIPE's database

=> http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/whois/whois.html

Result:


% This is the RIPE Whois server.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html

inetnum: 80.108.0.0 - 80.111.255.255
netname: AT-TELEKABEL-20010719
descr: Chello Broadband GmbH
descr: Provider Local Registry
country: AT
country: BE
country: FR
country: NL
country: NO
country: SE
admin-c: HTK1-RIPE
tech-c: HTK1-RIPE
status: ALLOCATED PA
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-lower: CHELLO-MNT
mnt-routes: CHELLO-MNT
changed: [email protected] 20010719
source: RIPE

route: 80.108.0.0/16
descr: UPC Technology
origin: AS6830
mnt-by: CHELLO-MNT
changed: [email protected] 20020716
source: RIPE

role: Hostmaster Telekabel Wien
address: chello Broadband GmbH
address: Internet Services
address: Reumannplatz 7
address: A-1100 Vienna
address: Austria
phone: +43 1 96062 5000
fax-no: +43 1 96062 5666
e-mail: [email protected]
trouble: [email protected]
admin-c: AK991-RIPE
tech-c: SB666-RIPE
tech-c: MH392-RIPE
tech-c: AK991-RIPE
nic-hdl: HTK1-RIPE
notify: [email protected]
mnt-by: CHELLO-MNT
changed: [email protected] 20020318
source: RIPE


Unless you're using services like Anomymizer or log in through proxy servers, it's easy to find out where someone's from. There are more sophisticated tools to track down spammers and their ilk. Do you need any particular info?
;)

Maciamo
Jan 10, 2003, 21:54
Well, actually I wasn't looking after spammer, but that's a good idea. I was just interested in knowing where were my sites's visitors from, because relatively few take the polls and answer this question.

Is there a trick to guess the country of origin just with the IP number ? For instance, do the first numbers refer directly to a country ?

thomas
Jan 10, 2003, 21:57
No, IP addresses are allocated to ISPs in blocks. You can just query the DB to find out which block belongs to whom.

Maciamo
Jan 10, 2003, 22:36
I didn't know about "whois", so I searched and found that there are 5 main zones :

North America = ARIN : http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html
Europe/Middle-East/North Africa = RIPE : http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois
Asia-Pacific = APNIC : http://www.apnic.org/search/index.html
Latin America = LACNIC : whois.lacnic.net
Africa = AfriNIC (Whois run by ARIN)

I guess it's not possible to find out somebody's postal address through this ?

thomas
Jan 10, 2003, 22:47
No, only ISPs postal addresses and locations are listed.

If the person in question registered a domain name you could find out address, tel # etc, but a lot of this personal info is fake. I'm using my post box # for domain registrations. We should cherish that bit of privacy we still have on internet, lol.

Maciamo
Jan 10, 2003, 22:56
I was a bit scared at first when I saw your IP detail, that the address was yours and that everybody at free access to anybody's private info. I feel reassured now :relief:

thomas
Jan 10, 2003, 23:03
My first reaction to WhoIs and tracer tools was exactly the same.

:eek: => :o => :p => :clap:

SirJeannot
Jan 11, 2003, 00:01
we're in no way anonymous :o

Twisted
Jan 11, 2003, 07:31
And if you have nothing to hide, then there is no reason to be anonymous anyway.
Most people make such a fuss about their privacy. What are they affraid of? I've never heard any solid arguments about why privacy is so important to people.

thomas
Jan 11, 2003, 08:16
Hm, I agree with you, partially. I wouldn't like to have my actual address or telephone no. published on internet, virtual spam is enough, lol. I also don't want anyone to trace my online behaviour through cookies or other nifty devices. It's not about hiding things, it's about preventing abuse.

Just my 2 eurocents. :)

Twisted
Jan 11, 2003, 17:25
True, there are a lot of rotten apples in the marketing world. Then again, if my online behaviour would be monitored and used in an used honest way, it would be for the better.

I mean, if i have to get spam, then i'd rather get it about things i'm interested in. If marketing would be targeted properly, they wouldn't try to sell me 2 extra inches, Viagra and bigger breasts anymore. :)

SirJeannot
Jan 12, 2003, 01:24
tracert or visual route give a lot of information (i love the map :D )

thomas
Jan 12, 2003, 22:18
Yesterday I installed a nice admin feature that shows me where members and visitors are located (not only the country, but the city). It works in 80% of the cases, depending on how the user's server is set up.

That's quite impressive. :angel:

Maciamo
Jan 12, 2003, 23:04
Can we have a look at that ?

thomas
Jan 12, 2003, 23:24
Here's a screenshot. It links to a third-party website.