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mecharmor23
Dec 15, 2004, 06:13
I don't know what but it is quite a phenomenon and it is not a conicidence. No offense but every member on these links that I have posted is racist towards chinese. I don't understand why can't the vietnamese seperate the regular chinese and the communists. That is why I am concerned.

http://s7.invisionfree.com/Lac_Viet/index.php?showtopic=774
http://s7.invisionfree.com/Lac_Viet/index.php?showforum=29&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&st=0

Fantt
Dec 15, 2004, 06:40
I don't think you can generalize an entire country's worth of people and ask such a question. You can ask if a particular Vietnamese person likes a particular Chinese person, but your question seems really pretty meaningless and it seems to me the only answers you will receive will be pointless generalizations.

mecharmor23
Dec 15, 2004, 06:54
My question is, does it happen often?? I just want to know how often does it happen.

bossel
Dec 15, 2004, 07:40
No offense but every member on these links that I have posted is racist towards chinese. I don't understand why can't the vietnamese seperate the regular chinese and the communists.
You can't understand? Well, obviously. You do the same yourself. "every member on these links" in one sentence becomes "the vietnamese" in the other.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

BamaFan2989
Dec 15, 2004, 07:54
can i ask if you are christian...?

coughidon't wantanyonetogetoffendedcough

bossel
Dec 15, 2004, 08:28
can i ask if you are christian...?
Obviously you can ask.

Elizabeth
Dec 15, 2004, 08:42
I don't know what but it is quite a phenomenon and it is not a conicidence. No offense but every member on these links that I have posted is racist towards chinese. I don't understand why can't the vietnamese seperate the regular chinese and the communists. That is why I am concerned.

I don't see how Communism can be the issue since that is one thing at least both countries and governments share.

mecharmor23
Dec 15, 2004, 08:54
how come no one goes to the links to find out how bad it is?

Fantt
Dec 15, 2004, 09:05
All those links would indicate is perhaps that there are some vietnamese who are posting negative things about Chinese. That fact does not imply that all Vietnamese people hate Chinese people.

ragedaddy
Dec 16, 2004, 08:25
mecharmor23,

Chill out man, I swear that you think everybody in the world has a Vendetta against the Chinese, but that is just not true. It seems you search intensely for this type of hate material against the Chinese, but I have never heard of this such animosity towards the Chinese. You can't go after every single person that says something bad about China. You need to look at the big picture, that people are not specifically discriminating against the Chinese in general. Don't let these extremist, racist people get to you. You don't have to tolerate their BS, but at the same time don't kill yourself in hunting down these clowns forum after forum.

Duo
Dec 16, 2004, 09:34
frankly i don't give a s**t on how many people hate the chinese. I don't think anyone here does neither, so if u wana cry about "the world conspiracy against china" then go to www.savechina.com. CHINA sure has a lot of stuff that has done to be hated though. Tibet, the cultural revolution, help to the Vietcong, and the other cap in indo-china.

Gaki
Dec 30, 2004, 02:41
frankly i don't give a s**t on how many people hate the chinese. I don't think anyone here does neither, so if u wana cry about "the world conspiracy against china" then go to www.savechina.com. CHINA sure has a lot of stuff that has done to be hated though. Tibet, the cultural revolution, help to the Vietcong, and the other cap in indo-china.

The Chinese government has done alot of stuff, not china, and not the chinese people.
Please do not confuse these three things.
It's like saying Hitler represents everything Germany and Bush represents everything America, etc..........

Back on topic i have never experienced any Vietnamese to Chinese hatred, in fact over here in the UK both respective people get along. I grew up with alot of Vietnamese kids, and mixed Chinese Vietnamese kids, never had any sorta problems.

jeisan
Dec 30, 2004, 03:45
i dont think anyone should go around believing everything they read on the net is true and that the feelings of 6-7 people in one thread on one forum represents the entire nationality of said people.

also, did anyone bother to read the article link in that thread? it shows why those viet kids are pissed off at the chinese govt, though some of them go way too far with it...

sgt. Pepper
Jan 1, 2005, 09:48
There's nothing wrong with China, they've done some bad stuff but so have every other country in the world (except maybe Canada).

And why was it wrong to help vietcong? :/

Duo
Jan 3, 2005, 21:46
heh, well that depends on what side u are on? Are u a communist, maybe the US should have left u guys into the graces inot the soviet union, then you'd be singing another tune.

Duo
Jan 3, 2005, 21:48
The Chinese government has done alot of stuff, not china, and not the chinese people.
Please do not confuse these three things.
It's like saying Hitler represents everything Germany and Bush represents everything America, etc..........



Heh, i don't, but what a government does, it will reflect on the attitude of foreigners toward's that country's people. The average chinese should think more about changing their form of government.

mecharmor23
Jan 5, 2005, 03:01
There is the problem. The government never will listen to its people. That is an eternal constant.

However, racism isn't necessarily true. Rather it can be minimized. I mean it is the 21st century and I do believe that people should be at least smart enough to distinguish the difference between the government and the average people??

And what do you mean there are no racism against chinese?? It happens way to often on japantoday.com. They want to have me responsible for Tibet, a place that I have never even been to. I think some of you here would like to hold me accountable for that too. That is my concern basically.

Unfortunatley, politics is not my career field and I truly suck at politics so I don't think I would be very useful whenever it comes to politics.

Besides I think that the Turks are also racist against chinese for being oppressed in the so called "xanjiang" province. I wish they can understand that generalization is very irrational and unethical approach at solving political matters.

bossel
Jan 5, 2005, 06:37
Besides I think that the Turks are also racist against chinese [...] I wish they can understand that generalization is very irrational
Quite a contradiction here. Or are you simply a hypocrite?

Gaki
Jan 10, 2005, 13:58
Heh, i don't, but what a government does, it will reflect on the attitude of foreigners toward's that country's people. The average chinese should think more about changing their form of government.

Ok think whatever you want, to be honest if we all thought like you we would all hate Americans right now.

PatrioticChineseguy
Jan 24, 2005, 12:39
Hi, everybody I new to this Japan forum, but I would like to voice my opinions on this forum. First, do you know why PRC invaded Tibet because for it geographical advantages. During the Cold War era American were spreading it capitialism and democracy principles throughout the world. After national party got defeated by the Communist, some of them travel to Taiwan and settle there and formed an independent state called Republic of China. While some of the national party armies didn't have a chance to regroup with the main force that went back to Taiwan. This small groups of national party armies shattered throught Indo-China plains to escape communists perspecution. They settle in some parts of Thailand, which the Thailand government rejected their entrance and started a proxmies war with these small armies led by only generals. Enough with this history talk, but my point is that Tibet serve as geographical barriers that barricade foreign invasion or influence in China. Think about people the Himayala mountains region service a great barriers between China and India, which was more of a socialism, but democracy gov't.

Hanoi
Jan 30, 2005, 08:58
I don't know what but it is quite a phenomenon and it is not a conicidence. No offense but every member on these links that I have posted is racist towards chinese. I don't understand why can't the vietnamese seperate the regular chinese and the communists. That is why I am concerned.
http://s7.invisionfree.com/Lac_Viet/index.php?showtopic=774
http://s7.invisionfree.com/Lac_Viet/index.php?showforum=29&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&st=0

Hi!

If you are a little good at history, especially that of Vietnam and perhaps of China, you'll know why. It is a matter of fact that the bulk of the history of Vietnam is about our resistance against 'chronic' attempts to dominate, to bully, and assimilate from China. Sometimes, I would compare Vietnam-China relartions to Poland-Russia or Mexico-USA. It seems that we can never live in peace. Just as recently as two weeks ago, 9 Vietnamese fishermen were barbarically shot dead by Chinese marine police on the so-called pretext that these people trespassed on their waters terrritory. If someone cares to know more about this incident, visit

www.biendong.org


Regarding your last question (highlighted), I do not think you are right. It is just a matter of interpretation. I mean, when you say 'I don't like the Chinese' there is always a chance that you mean either 1.4 billion Chinese people or simply the Chinese government. I think that those people in the above links refer those Chinese people who bring sufferings to Vietnamese people whether it is in the past, present, or in the future.

regards

Yellow Emperor
Feb 17, 2005, 08:50
Just as recently as two weeks ago, 9 Vietnamese fishermen were barbarically shot dead by Chinese marine police on the so-called pretext that these people trespassed on their waters terrritory.
Those Vietnamese were pirates who had attacked Chinese fishermen in Chinese water.

Chariot
Apr 12, 2005, 09:31
Those Vietnamese were pirates who had attacked Chinese fishermen in Chinese water.


This is full of sh**t , those people are innoccent fishermen, those survival came back said they always got harrassed from China navy , China tresspassed more than 10 mi into VN water to attacked those people. Just looks at Tibet, India and Vietnam land, islands or sea taken from China. Also China try to bully Japan as well (Using Submarine tresspassed to Japan sea).

ricecake
Jun 13, 2006, 14:51
I don't know what but it is quite a phenomenon and it is not a conicidence. No offense but every member on these links that I have posted is racist towards chinese. I don't understand why can't the vietnamese seperate the regular chinese and the communists. That is why I am concerned.



Chinese people in general DON'T LIKE Viets anyway,but rarely admit it though.

warakawa
Jun 22, 2006, 02:59
Chinese people in general DON'T LIKE Viets anyway,but rarely admit it though.

im chinese, i like vietnamese girls and food :-)

but the way, many vietnamese people always try to act like chinese. the fact that they act chinese, celebrate chinese new year, have chinese surnames, viet man with chinese dragon tattoons, women in chinese dress, use kanji...

ricecake
Jun 22, 2006, 03:11
im chinese, i like vietnamese girls and food :-)

but the way, many vietnamese people always try to act like chinese.



Well,Chinamen sowed seeds in different parts of SE Asia in the last few hundred years.Vietnamese is the nationality notoriously claiming Chinese-origin or Chinese/Viet same root crap talk.Over 80% of Vietnam's 80 millions,are entirely of INDIGENOUS ORIGINS and have indigenous facial/physical features.

Vietnam has 2% population of FULL BLOOD ethnic Chinese,they do look very Chinese and act culturally Chinese.

Ethnic Viets are Chinese-wannabe's,rather they wish they are a part of greater Chinese race.

godppgo
Jun 22, 2006, 15:35
Well,Chinamen sowed seeds in different parts of SE Asia in the last few hundred years.Vietnamese is the nationality notoriously claiming Chinese-origin or Chinese/Viet same root crap talk.Over 80% of Vietnam's 80 millions,are entirely of INDIGENOUS ORIGINS and have indigenous facial/physical features.
Vietnam has 2% population of FULL BLOOD ethnic Chinese,they do look very Chinese and act culturally Chinese.
Ethnic Viets are Chinese-wannabe's,rather they wish they are a part of greater Chinese race.

Chinese-wannabes.. now that's something new..

ricecake
Jun 23, 2006, 01:42
Chinese-wannabes.. now that's something new.



It's a matter of low self-esteem and inferiority complex oppose to S Koreans' newly found superiority complex FAKE-arrogancy toward Chinese people often venomously deny any ties to Chinese race rather vigorously promoting 100% pure Siberian/Mongol origin for the entire population.

Minty
Jun 23, 2006, 07:30
If some Vietnamese do look Chinese it could be the result of the colonisation.

Chinese-wannabes.. now that's something new..

You need to look outside of your Taiwanese view to get a fuller picture, there are people who like to associate themselves with Chinese.

The Thais also celebrate Chinese New Year they are not Chinese too.

Singapore's Chinese and Malaysia's Chinese use China's simplified writing system rather than Taiwan's traditional writing system after China made the changed.

ricecake
Jun 23, 2006, 07:34
A small percentage of so-called ETHNIC Viet population is of paternal Chinese ancestry,mixed-offsprings of lonely Chinamen and INDIGENOUS Viet girls.

One parallel example,British men fathered many thousand if not million mixed children in India during colonial period.

godppgo
Jun 23, 2006, 10:56
Is it just my imagination or are there more and more Chinese wanting to become non-Chinese and will not hesitate a second if they are given a chance to obtain foreign country permanent residency or passport? At least from my experience with Chinese people, their Chinese passports are the last thing they'll miss.

It never seize to amaze me how some people who has never set their foot on Chinese soil in their whole life proclaim themselves Chinese and associate themselves heavily with Chinese culture. To me these people are the real Chinese-wannabes.

warakawa
Jun 23, 2006, 12:52
it's all to do with economy, give china 30 or 40 more years when its economy is as strong as america, when it's military is the best in the world. Then, all asian will claim they are chinese.

ricecake
Jun 23, 2006, 13:16
Money and power walk hand in hand.

osias
Jun 25, 2006, 06:06
Chinese wannabes? do you know rؐ in Vietnam?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War


The war also caused a forced migration of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese, who were discriminated against. They fled as "boat people" and were resettled in several Chinatowns and in other Asian communities in Australia, Europe, and North America.
In the People's Republic of China, this war is not frequently mentioned. In Vietnamese history textbooks, however, the war is documented in great detail.

ricecake
Jun 25, 2006, 09:03
This was strictly government action in reprisal,the border clash resulted an exodus of ETHNIC Chinese.It became an opportunity for those middle-class to well-off ETHNIC Chinese who didn't or couldn't leave in 1975,Viet authorities openingly allowed ETHNIC Chinese who could afford " paid-trip " out to sea.Some ETHNIC Viets in USA complaint of " preferential treatment " toward Chinese,for they too wanted own family and friends to escape communism back home.

Except for this is recent event of ethnic Chinese expulsion,Vietnam never had institutionalized discriminatory policy toward Chinese from ancient times up to the fall of Saigon/S Vietnam in 1975.Ethnic Viets and ethnic Chinese have lived side by side through out Vietnam.Ethnic Chinese controlled much of commerce included banks between 1956-1975 in S Vietnam,with former presidents Ngo Dinh Diem ( 1956-1963 ) and Nyugen Van Thieu both had a few mutual wealthy ethnic Chinese friends who they solicited monetary backings.As matter of fact,former S Vietnam's exiled president Nyugen Van Thieu's son was partly educated in Taiwan,as Thieu was pro-Taiwan or Chinese.Although,ethnic Chinese classified as " minority status " but have superiority complex toward the local ethnic Viets same scenerio in other SE Asian/South Pacific nations.Since diplomatic normalization between China and Vietnam in the late 1980's,Chinese language schools are back in operation.

ETHNIC Viets is the most " dislike " Asian nationality in USA,partly for lost of Vietnam War and Viets' anti-social behaviors.Viet gangs infested some major inner cities in USA and through out the world where they settled in the last 3 decades.Many Viets on welfare roll in first few years of resettlement in the USA,often commited frauds.American whites generally don't like Viets,this attitude of social rejection manifested in low self-esteem among Viets young and old.

Viets' inferiority complex toward Chinese stems from " lost much self-worth " as an independent people after their ancestors militarily broke free from Chinese imperial domination in 939 AD,and from entrenched Chinese cultural influences perceivingly " superior " to Viets' Au Lac ancestors' indigenous culture closest to their blood-siblings Thais and Laotians with all 3 languages belong to Tai-Kadai group.

Sinicization of Vietnam culturally and mentally and psychologically distanced ETHNIC Viets from neighboring SE Asians who are genetically closest to them from ancient times.ETHNIC Viets " rarely feel kinship " with Thais,Laotians,and those Chinese aboriginal minorities populated in China's SW region rather passionately pursue Han Chinese closeness as in " blood-brotherly/sisterly relationship ".

Unlike Japanese and Koreans,Viets never could developed on their own instead still lean on Chinese culture for guidance.Ethnic Viets regularly indulge in translated version of Chinese entertainments and literature works for many decades.

Honestly,some ETHNIC Viets are " Chinese wannabes " with a few often visit Chinese history forums to seek ethnic-origin tie with Chinese race.Same as Korea peninsula,Vietnam's history was very much intertwined with China for there is a notable connection to one particular ancient Yue indigenous tribe once populated what's now Canton province.China's NE region and Tungus nomadic clans in the case for Koreans as a parallel example,but S Korea's De-Sinicization policy in the past 50 years lead to recent root searching in Siberia or Mongolia which is 360 degree in reverse from " faked Chinese " for nearly 1500 years with Emperors and Yanban class venomously mouthed-down " own nomadic kins " Jurchen and Khitan as beastly barbaric kingdoms unworthy of diplomatic ties documented in Korea history chronicles during those ancient days KOREAN ancestors were " LICKING Chinamen's BUTT-HOLES ".Nowadays,younger generation S Koreans are indoctrinated with the notion of 100% pure Siberian/Mongolian origin not related to Chinese race.

Viets is the one and only Asian nationality WORSHIPS Chinese blood tie,oth
er SE Asians and or South Pacific Asians couldn't care less.

On the flip side,I've encountered a hanful dedicated Viets on a " revenge rampage " in several Asian-oriented forums for " Chinese rejection as equals " with maps/linked news articles/inconclusive DNA reports/recycled message like " Viets and Chinese are same root or Han Chinese race is of Viet-origin or Han Chinese came from SE Asia or Han Chinese not genetically related to East Asian twins Japanese/Koreans " cheap crap talks wallpaper the entire threads.Chinese generally embrace cultural closeness toward both Japanese and Koreans often exclude Viets.This exclusion hurts Viets' feelings deep down,since they don't want to associate with blood-siblings Thais and Laotians plus half-lings Cambodians who are never Sinicized like them.

Japanese,Koreans,and Chinese exclude Viets in the prestige NE Asian club for Viets' true origin is with Thais and Laotians plus distant geographic proximity.

There are some ETHNIC Viets do hate Chinese people for looking down on
them typically among younger generation,for I've had read their internet Asian forum posts of angrily words directed at Chinese.

In their homeland,Viets probably don't feel this way as they can't be dislike by own race with no foreigners treat them as lesser people.

gearofwar113
Oct 9, 2011, 18:07
This was strictly government action in reprisal,the border clash resulted an exodus of ETHNIC Chinese.It became an opportunity for those middle-class to well-off ETHNIC Chinese who didn't or couldn't leave in 1975,Viet authorities openingly allowed ETHNIC Chinese who could afford " paid-trip " out to sea.Some ETHNIC Viets in USA complaint of " preferential treatment " toward Chinese,for they too wanted own family and friends to escape communism back home.

Except for this is recent event of ethnic Chinese expulsion,Vietnam never had institutionalized discriminatory policy toward Chinese from ancient times up to the fall of Saigon/S Vietnam in 1975.Ethnic Viets and ethnic Chinese have lived side by side through out Vietnam.Ethnic Chinese controlled much of commerce included banks between 1956-1975 in S Vietnam,with former presidents Ngo Dinh Diem ( 1956-1963 ) and Nyugen Van Thieu both had a few mutual wealthy ethnic Chinese friends who they solicited monetary backings.As matter of fact,former S Vietnam's exiled president Nyugen Van Thieu's son was partly educated in Taiwan,as Thieu was pro-Taiwan or Chinese.Although,ethnic Chinese classified as " minority status " but have superiority complex toward the local ethnic Viets same scenerio in other SE Asian/South Pacific nations.Since diplomatic normalization between China and Vietnam in the late 1980's,Chinese language schools are back in operation.

ETHNIC Viets is the most " dislike " Asian nationality in USA,partly for lost of Vietnam War and Viets' anti-social behaviors.Viet gangs infested some major inner cities in USA and through out the world where they settled in the last 3 decades.Many Viets on welfare roll in first few years of resettlement in the USA,often commited frauds.American whites generally don't like Viets,this attitude of social rejection manifested in low self-esteem among Viets young and old.

Viets' inferiority complex toward Chinese stems from " lost much self-worth " as an independent people after their ancestors militarily broke free from Chinese imperial domination in 939 AD,and from entrenched Chinese cultural influences perceivingly " superior " to Viets' Au Lac ancestors' indigenous culture closest to their blood-siblings Thais and Laotians with all 3 languages belong to Tai-Kadai group.

Sinicization of Vietnam culturally and mentally and psychologically distanced ETHNIC Viets from neighboring SE Asians who are genetically closest to them from ancient times.ETHNIC Viets " rarely feel kinship " with Thais,Laotians,and those Chinese aboriginal minorities populated in China's SW region rather passionately pursue Han Chinese closeness as in " blood-brotherly/sisterly relationship ".

Unlike Japanese and Koreans,Viets never could developed on their own instead still lean on Chinese culture for guidance.Ethnic Viets regularly indulge in translated version of Chinese entertainments and literature works for many decades.

Honestly,some ETHNIC Viets are " Chinese wannabes " with a few often visit Chinese history forums to seek ethnic-origin tie with Chinese race.Same as Korea peninsula,Vietnam's history was very much intertwined with China for there is a notable connection to one particular ancient Yue indigenous tribe once populated what's now Canton province.China's NE region and Tungus nomadic clans in the case for Koreans as a parallel example,but S Korea's De-Sinicization policy in the past 50 years lead to recent root searching in Siberia or Mongolia which is 360 degree in reverse from " faked Chinese " for nearly 1500 years with Emperors and Yanban class venomously mouthed-down " own nomadic kins " Jurchen and Khitan as beastly barbaric kingdoms unworthy of diplomatic ties documented in Korea history chronicles during those ancient days KOREAN ancestors were " LICKING Chinamen's BUTT-HOLES ".Nowadays,younger generation S Koreans are indoctrinated with the notion of 100% pure Siberian/Mongolian origin not related to Chinese race.

Viets is the one and only Asian nationality WORSHIPS Chinese blood tie,oth
er SE Asians and or South Pacific Asians couldn't care less.

On the flip side,I've encountered a hanful dedicated Viets on a " revenge rampage " in several Asian-oriented forums for " Chinese rejection as equals " with maps/linked news articles/inconclusive DNA reports/recycled message like " Viets and Chinese are same root or Han Chinese race is of Viet-origin or Han Chinese came from SE Asia or Han Chinese not genetically related to East Asian twins Japanese/Koreans " cheap crap talks wallpaper the entire threads.Chinese generally embrace cultural closeness toward both Japanese and Koreans often exclude Viets.This exclusion hurts Viets' feelings deep down,since they don't want to associate with blood-siblings Thais and Laotians plus half-lings Cambodians who are never Sinicized like them.

Japanese,Koreans,and Chinese exclude Viets in the prestige NE Asian club for Viets' true origin is with Thais and Laotians plus distant geographic proximity.

There are some ETHNIC Viets do hate Chinese people for looking down on
them typically among younger generation,for I've had read their internet Asian forum posts of angrily words directed at Chinese.

In their homeland,Viets probably don't feel this way as they can't be dislike by own race with no foreigners treat them as lesser people.
Viets' true origin is with Thais and Laotians ? do your research before assuming that :| they're the closest race to japanese in genetic similarity compared to other NE asians even Korean is not that close :|




The mean IBS for Japanese to Vietnamese is 0.76613, whereas the mean
IBS for Koreans (from 10 different cities) to Vietnamese is 0.76578.

A higher IBS indicates higher genetic similarity. Since 0.76613 >
0.76578, then the conclusion is that Japanese are closer to Vietnamese than
Koreans are to Vietnamese


again , this topic is not about origin of viets :| it's about the relationship with china. Yes they're enemy and friend in history. Right now they're enemy to Viets i mean the government and those brainwashed chineses
Stop assuming what you copied from your textbook are correct :| and what you said about are not correct sigh